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Re: Amen for separation of Church and State

Postby The Cat-Tribe » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:57 pm

Tiesabre wrote:And yes, SCOTUS HAS rule on 'In God We Trust' twice in fact. Here, I'll get the cases, again, and prove you wrong.


Good luck with that. I won't hold my breath.

EDIT:

Actually, I'll help you out. You cited Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, 542 U.S. 1 (2004)--which (1) had nothing to do with the motto and was about the Pledge and (2) wasn't decided on the merits--and dicta from Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668 (1984). The latter is helpful to you, but I suggest you look up what "dicta" means. The case was about the legality of the inclusion of a creche among various "season greetings" on public property, not the motto. I also suggest that SCOTUS hasn't followed the majority line in Lynch in later cases.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:58 pm

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And yes, SCOTUS HAS rule on 'In God We Trust' twice in fact. Here, I'll get the cases, again, and prove you wrong.


Really? I truly want to see this...
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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:00 pm

Muravyets wrote:TCT already addressed that very question in an earlier post. Apparently, you don't want to read the thread any more than you want to read the US Constitution


1) Seeing as the post I was responding to was before the one he posted in, you can't really blame me.

2) I thought it would be quicker to ask him than search through the internet for it.

Muravyets wrote:Well, how special for the UK. But we're talking about the US here, and we have different rules on account of we're a different country and all, thanks, bye.


I'm merely saying that here in England (different thing to the U.K., the U.K. as a whole has no state religion) there is no problem with having an official state religion. There aren't any averse effects.
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Postby Muravyets » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:00 pm

Tiesabre wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Tiesabre wrote:90% of Americans agree with keeping 'In God We Trust' on the money. ((Wikipedia))


Other people have already attacked the biggest glaring flaws in your argument, especially your attempt to cite legal precedent and then dismiss legal precedent when it turned out not to support you.

I would just like to point out an additional flaw, the first one of the gate for you: The logical fallacy of "appeal to popularity."

90% of any group agreeing with something does not make it right. Therefore, even on this attempt to cite general opinion, you fail to invalidate the attacks on your points.

I've already mentioned something like that in a later post, pay attention

Yes, I know, but your half-hearted attempt to shrug off that logical fallacy, which has the effect of invalidating the point that was dependent on it, didn't actually work as a retraction of the flawed point. So I consider it still in play. I just like to be thorough and make sure that everyone knows exactly how many holes there are in your argument so far.

I've already mention the legal precedent too. But my dismissal of his was the fact that my legal cases I brought up were not 120 years old. Thusly the new legal case thumps the old legal case.

As in Legal Case one made 120 years ago Says Slavery is cool man. Legal case two made 90 years ago says Slavery is illegal. Case Two thumps case one.

Nope, sorry, it doesn't work that way. You see, for Case Two to "thump" (did you mean "trump"?) Case One, Case Two would actually have to un-do the decision in Case One. As TCT pointed out, that is not the case in the precedents you cited. You attempted to prove that his citations were undone by yours, but you failed to prove such.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:01 pm

Tiesabre wrote:And yes, SCOTUS HAS rule on 'In God We Trust' twice in fact. Not directly relating to 'In God We Trust' but ruling on the legality of in God we trust.


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Postby Muravyets » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:05 pm

No Names Left Damn It wrote:
Muravyets wrote:TCT already addressed that very question in an earlier post. Apparently, you don't want to read the thread any more than you want to read the US Constitution


1) Seeing as the post I was responding to was before the one he posted in, you can't really blame me.

2) I thought it would be quicker to ask him than search through the internet for it.

In other words, you haven't been reading the thread. Lazy.

Also, you should know better than that with TCT, the Master of Massive Quotes. Having him post it again will not save you reading time.

Muravyets wrote:Well, how special for the UK. But we're talking about the US here, and we have different rules on account of we're a different country and all, thanks, bye.


I'm merely saying that here in England (different thing to the U.K., the U.K. as a whole has no state religion) there is no problem with having an official state religion. There aren't any averse effects.

Which is utterly and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The US quit being the UK for a reason, and one of those was that what you claim is not a problem for the UK most certainly was and is a problem for the US. As I said, I'm so glad that you don't have to deal with the same issues we do, but to use an analogy, you not being allergic to peanuts does not set a helpful example to someone who is allergic to peanuts in re how to deal with peanuts.

(Oh, btw, I think there could be a make-able argument that, if you lot had not kicked out all your Puritans to North America, you might have a different recent history with religion than what you do have.)
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Postby Irgaard » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:05 pm

There was an old lady handing out pamphlets outside of my school on Halloween warning us not to go out and commit to demonic rituals, and that while it may be fun, we were very close to defying God.

It almost ruined Halloween for me. Almost.

:rofl:
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:07 pm

Irgaard wrote:There was an old lady handing out pamphlets outside of my school on Halloween warning us not to go out and commit to demonic rituals, and that while it may be fun, we were very close to defying God.

It almost ruined Halloween for me. Almost.

:rofl:


Paganism=Devil worship

Duh. :palm: How can you have the moral indecency to go out and do Satan's bidding?
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:07 pm

No Names Left Damn It wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:I'm no expert on religious freedom in the UK, either. I just don't buy your blanket statement that no government religious discrimination occurs there.


The way you've phrased that seems to indicate to me that your source does not provide evidence of Pro-Church of England or Church of Scotland discrimination by the respective governments of each country. Of course as I was unable to read most of the link, I could be totally wrong, but it seems to me as if you can't prove the above.


Or, perhaps, I don't want to be bothered with cutting-and-pasting from the source when the whole question is an irrelevant side-issue.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:09 pm

Irgaard wrote:There was an old lady handing out pamphlets outside of my school on Halloween warning us not to go out and commit to demonic rituals, and that while it may be fun, we were very close to defying God.

It almost ruined Halloween for me. Almost.

:rofl:

i hate those nasty old fundamentalists who try to ruin halloween for kids.
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Postby Irgaard » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:10 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Paganism=Devil worship

Duh. :palm: How can you have the moral indecency to go out and do Satan's bidding?


I was unawares that dressing up in costumes is Satanic!

I need to inform the nearest Catholic Boy's choir! Their souls are in DANGER.
LunaticGoofballs wrote:I think that Quebec is mostly populated by pasty dull people who somehow thing that their desire for independence somehow makes them more interesting than they really are.

They are the Texas of Canada.

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Postby Muravyets » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:11 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Irgaard wrote:There was an old lady handing out pamphlets outside of my school on Halloween warning us not to go out and commit to demonic rituals, and that while it may be fun, we were very close to defying God.

It almost ruined Halloween for me. Almost.

:rofl:

i hate those nasty old fundamentalists who try to ruin halloween for kids.

I'm actually hoping that the pamphlet was actually worded the way Irgaard says. That would enhance Halloween for me. ;)
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:11 pm

Irgaard wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Paganism=Devil worship

Duh. :palm: How can you have the moral indecency to go out and do Satan's bidding?


I was unawares that dressing up in costumes is Satanic!

I need to inform the nearest Catholic Boy's choir! Their souls are in DANGER.


You bigot! How dare you insult Catholocism! :evil:
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:15 pm

The Cat-Tribe wrote:In Roark v. South Iron R-1 School District, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit affrimed a Missouri U.S. District court's grant of a permanent injunction barring distribution of Bibles on school property during the school day.

Wish they'dve done this in Mississippi while I was in School....

It was always annoying as fuck when those guys would go around trying to convert you, and trick you into showing up for one of their "Student Meetings" >:(

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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:16 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Irgaard wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Paganism=Devil worship

Duh. :palm: How can you have the moral indecency to go out and do Satan's bidding?


I was unawares that dressing up in costumes is Satanic!

I need to inform the nearest Catholic Boy's choir! Their souls are in DANGER.


You bigot! How dare you insult Catholocism! :evil:

Idk, Ive seen the Pope, one might say he's asking for it, ;)

(I kid, I kid)

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Postby Irgaard » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:21 pm

Maurepas wrote:Idk, Ive seen the Pope, one might say he's asking for it, ;)

(I kid, I kid)


I want to drive the Pope Mobile, so very badly.

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
You bigot! How dare you insult Catholocism! :evil:


I am only assisting my good Christian brothers! Because all of us Americans all Christian! And if you're not, you're a dirty commie!

Muravyets wrote:I'm actually hoping that the pamphlet was actually worded the way Irgaard says. That would enhance Halloween for me. ;)


I can't actually recall what it exactly said but I do remember it saying something along the lines of, "While Halloween is a fun and enjoyable activity, costume themes such as Harry Potter encourages kids to do sorcery. All sorcery and magic comes from Satan, and is a direct affront to God"

Like I said. If it wasn't so LOLworthy, it would've ruined Halloween for me.

Liked how she assumed everyone at the School was a Christian, though.
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They are the Texas of Canada.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:23 pm

Maurepas wrote:Idk, Ive seen the Pope, one might say he's asking for it, ;)

(I kid, I kid)


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Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:23 pm

Irgaard wrote:
I can't actually recall what it exactly said but I do remember it saying something along the lines of, "While Halloween is a fun and enjoyable activity, costume themes such as Harry Potter encourages kids to do sorcery. All sorcery and magic comes from Satan, and is a direct affront to God"

Like I said. If it wasn't so LOLworthy, it would've ruined Halloween for me.

Liked how she assumed everyone at the School was a Christian, though.

They distributed that around here! If only I wasnt too old to trick-or-treat, I had such an urge to do so after I read it, :lol2:

I still broke out my old Grim Reaper costume to hand out candy in though, :D

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Postby Irgaard » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:24 pm

Maurepas wrote:They distributed that around here! If only I wasnt too old to trick-or-treat, I had such an urge to do so after I read it, :lol2:

I still broke out my old Grim Reaper costume to hand out candy in though, :D



HAH! What state are you in? I was in Northern California at the time. Still am, but I switched from the Yuba-Sutter area to Elk Grove.
LunaticGoofballs wrote:I think that Quebec is mostly populated by pasty dull people who somehow thing that their desire for independence somehow makes them more interesting than they really are.

They are the Texas of Canada.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:25 pm

Irgaard wrote:I can't actually recall what it exactly said but I do remember it saying something along the lines of, "While Halloween is a fun and enjoyable activity, costume themes such as Harry Potter encourages kids to do sorcery. All sorcery and magic comes from Satan, and is a direct affront to God"


Harry Potter fills children's minds with horrible and nasty ideas of witchcraft and Devil Worship! They should be banned and burned! :evil:
Daniel Radcliffe is an atheist! He worships the devil! He eats babies!
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
Keronians wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:27 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Irgaard wrote:I can't actually recall what it exactly said but I do remember it saying something along the lines of, "While Halloween is a fun and enjoyable activity, costume themes such as Harry Potter encourages kids to do sorcery. All sorcery and magic comes from Satan, and is a direct affront to God"


Harry Potter fills children's minds with horrible and nasty ideas of witchcraft and Devil Worship! They should be banned and burned! :evil:
Daniel Radcliffe is an atheist! He worships the devil! He eats babies!

He fucks horses.
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Ifreann wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Irgaard wrote:I can't actually recall what it exactly said but I do remember it saying something along the lines of, "While Halloween is a fun and enjoyable activity, costume themes such as Harry Potter encourages kids to do sorcery. All sorcery and magic comes from Satan, and is a direct affront to God"


Harry Potter fills children's minds with horrible and nasty ideas of witchcraft and Devil Worship! They should be banned and burned! :evil:
Daniel Radcliffe is an atheist! He worships the devil! He eats babies!

He fucks horses.


And this is very sexy... :D

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Irgaard wrote:I can't actually recall what it exactly said but I do remember it saying something along the lines of, "While Halloween is a fun and enjoyable activity, costume themes such as Harry Potter encourages kids to do sorcery. All sorcery and magic comes from Satan, and is a direct affront to God"


Harry Potter fills children's minds with horrible and nasty ideas of witchcraft and Devil Worship! They should be banned and burned! :evil:
Daniel Radcliffe is an atheist! He worships the devil! He eats babies!

He fucks horses.


Goddamit, he's inbreeding too?? :p
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
Keronians wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby JuNii » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:35 pm

Irgaard wrote:I can't actually recall what it exactly said but I do remember it saying something along the lines of, "While Halloween is a fun and enjoyable activity, costume themes such as Harry Potter encourages kids to do sorcery. All sorcery and magic comes from Satan, and is a direct affront to God"


Reply:
"Oh, yeah. like that book where the old wizard turned his staff into a snake, he parted the waters so that he and the people he was with could walk on dry land... and let's not forget when he caused food to fall from the sky and water to gush out of the rocks! then later in the book there was another man who walked on water, raised the dead, and created food." :rofl:
on the other hand... I have another set of fingers.

Unscramble these words...1) PNEIS. 2)HTIELR 3) NGGERI 4) BUTTSXE
1) SPINE. 2) LITHER 3)GINGER 4)SUBTEXT

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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:37 pm

Irgaard wrote:
Maurepas wrote:They distributed that around here! If only I wasnt too old to trick-or-treat, I had such an urge to do so after I read it, :lol2:

I still broke out my old Grim Reaper costume to hand out candy in though, :D



HAH! What state are you in? I was in Northern California at the time. Still am, but I switched from the Yuba-Sutter area to Elk Grove.

Mississippi, It is virtually run by the Churches, :roll:

Fortunately, the Coast isnt quite as bad as some of the rest of the State, :)

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