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by Dyakovo » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:41 am
by The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:41 am
The Carlisle wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:Am I appropriating Japanese culture when I eat sushi? No.
Japanese cuisine spread to the US with the immigration of Japanese immigrants to California. Sushi was one of the things that caught on in pop culture. It was as organic a currywurst.
If kimono caught on as formal attire as well, that would be organic cultural immersion as well.
This display is none of those things. This is just a show to attract people to an exhibit, not a serious display on kimonos, their history and meaning.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Occupied Deutschland » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:42 am
The Alexanderians wrote:The Carlisle wrote:Japanese cuisine spread to the US with the immigration of Japanese immigrants to California. Sushi was one of the things that caught on in pop culture. It was as organic a currywurst.
If kimono caught on as formal attire as well, that would be organic cultural immersion as well.
This display is none of those things. This is just a show to attract people to an exhibit, not a serious display on kimonos, their history and meaning.
But untill the hypothetical point when it becomes formal wear it would be "cultural appropriation". Uh-oh I play jrpgs! They're not mainstream yet! I've culturally appropriated! *Stabs self in stomach*
by New Grestin » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:42 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:I thought I was top tier SJW. Looks like I've gotta go way deeper into the rabbit hole.
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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by Wanderjar » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:42 am
Aculea wrote:Wanderjar wrote:But in all seriousness, how could someone possibly be offended by an individual tacitly saying 'Your cultural heritage is really neat. I wish to emulate it out of respect either as a costume or whatever.' I mean, really? How can I be offended by that as a Seminole/Cherokee?
Okay, no, I have to take the other side long enough to ask a question. There are many seminole/cherokee that disagree with you. Do you ever talk to them? How do those conversations go?
by Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:43 am
The Alexanderians wrote:The Carlisle wrote:Japanese cuisine spread to the US with the immigration of Japanese immigrants to California. Sushi was one of the things that caught on in pop culture. It was as organic a currywurst.
If kimono caught on as formal attire as well, that would be organic cultural immersion as well.
This display is none of those things. This is just a show to attract people to an exhibit, not a serious display on kimonos, their history and meaning.
But untill the hypothetical point when it becomes formal wear it would be "cultural appropriation". Uh-oh I play jrpgs! They're not mainstream yet! I've culturally appropriated! *Stabs self in stomach*
by The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:43 am
Occupied Deutschland wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:But untill the hypothetical point when it becomes formal wear it would be "cultural appropriation". Uh-oh I play jrpgs! They're not mainstream yet! I've culturally appropriated! *Stabs self in stomach*
Seppuku? Really? In penance for your cultural appropriation you're going to culturally appropriate ritual suicide?
That's wacist.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:45 am
by Wanderjar » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:45 am
by The Carlisle » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:45 am
Dyakovo wrote:The Carlisle wrote:Japanese cuisine spread to the US with the immigration of Japanese immigrants to California. Sushi was one of the things that caught on in pop culture. It was as organic a currywurst.
If kimono caught on as formal attire as well, that would be organic cultural immersion as well.
This display is none of those things. This is just a show to attract people to an exhibit, not a serious display on kimonos, their history and meaning.
Eating sushi is not a serious look into the history of sushi.
by USS Monitor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:45 am
Divitaen wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
Why do you think cultural exchange can only be done in one way?
Not one monolithic way. But the general way is cultural exchange cannot simply be one culture treating and reducing another culture to a simple trinket, fad or crude entertainment device. If its an exotic sideshow for you then I'd rather not. But cultural exchange can occur through many ways, interacting with people from another culture, learning another language, studying their history, or slowly picking up aspects of their culture.
by Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:45 am
by Wanderjar » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:45 am
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:Clearly, Canadians who wear Ushanka's are not wearing it to keep warm, but they are insulting Russians by wearing it. I'm ashamed that I ever wore a ushanka. I have insulted the Russian People, obviously.
by New Granadeseret » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:45 am
Divitaen wrote:New Granadeseret wrote:Companies not selling out t mass consumerism for money... yah, not going to happen. Making money is their reason for existence, and they have no motivation to shut off the flow. The change has to come from the consumers voting with their wallets to go elsewhere... and that won't happen if you close the gates to any interaction with a culture (to see if they'd even be curious about it or not) by outsiders unless they go through a great deal of work beforehand.
There are two ways you can counter the 'degradation' of culture. Your approach seems to be circling he wagons to maintain purity; which of course will result in nobody outside caring about it and will be gladly negligent towards it's upkeep, while you only get new supporters through 'natural birth' into it (many of whom will be lead away by the appeal of other, more open cultures), only slowing the decay.
The other option is to get supporters and strength from the outside by allowing for slow entry and fair, honest competition on the trans-cultural stage. Make the information available in interesting ways... even if they aren't one-hundred percent, every minute detail included levels of accuracy and scale. They, others think this might be interesting and have a motivation to look into it, possibly becoming a partial or even full convert. A certain level of lowest-common-denominator is a less fortunate, but unavoidable, aspect of this, but you're not much (if any) worse off losing somebody that you never had in the first place.
We're still going to have a melting pot of cultures. We will still have immigrant communities bonding and meeting, and cross-cultural exchange happening through the formation of new clothes, new languages, new cuisine, new music. It has happened throughout history and will continue happening. But companies reducing cultural icons, elements and facets into mere toys and playthings is something that is unnecessary to the promotion of any culture. Companies always want to pander to mass consumerism for the sake of money, but the fact that this will always be a reality doesn't mean we can't criticise it.
by Page » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:47 am
by Dyakovo » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:47 am
by The Cobalt Sky » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:47 am
by New Grestin » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:47 am
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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by The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:48 am
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:Clearly, Canadians who wear Ushanka's are not wearing it to keep warm, but they are insulting Russians by wearing it. I'm ashamed that I ever wore a ushanka. I have insulted the Russian People, obviously.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Ikania » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:48 am
by The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:49 am
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by USS Monitor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:49 am
Aculea wrote:The Carlisle wrote:Potentially wearing a cleavage showing dirndl to a Halloween party is cool. Doesn't make you less of an asshole for bastardizing South German culture for your stupid costume parties.
Hey, that's a really good point. Egoman, close your ears. My wife loves steampunk and every time we go to an event she's got something even more Victorian to wear. If I don't do anything in a year or two it'll be corsets, bustles, and wireframe dresses. I wonder, what is the moral way to respond to this cultural appropriation happening before my eyes? I mean, I can see how other people in this thread can feel justified in ignoring Japan's cultural appropriation of the west, seeing as doing something about it requires effort, but now it's confronting me and I have no way to hide from it.
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