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Falklands, Malvinas, or Independence?

Falklands (UK)
20
17%
Malvinas (Being a part of Argentina)
68
57%
Independent (Neither)
32
27%
 
Total votes : 120

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Liberty and Linguistics
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:03 pm

Calimera II wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Fine, let's go facts instead of biased examples.

Fact: First man to discover the Falklands, British.

Fact: Jointly settled by the Spanish and English who both claimed all of the islands, briefly avoiding war.

Fact: Both powers later withdrew, neither relinquishing its claim.

Fact: Later, Argentina talks about fishing rights, sets up vaguely illegal colony-thing on islands.

Fact: Colony removed by US, Brits come back to the land they never relinquished their claim to.

One the one hand, you can argue that the Spanish claim defaulted to Argentina- except by that logic, South America's borders need some major reworking.

On the other hand, Brits have just as much of a claim (if not more due to discovery).

So, on the field of legitimacy, Argentina has less than Britain. There's also self-determination and whatnot, but I'm sure you've already heard that.


First person to discover the islands was a Spaniard. Of we are going to spread lies it's not worth while debating.


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Postby Kalatun » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:03 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:I hate to be this blunt, but it takes a degree of delusion to truly believe in Las Malvinas Argentinas. The islands are British, by 99.8%, the citizens voted to be part of the United Kingdom. Unless you have a fetish for opposing self determination, there is no pragmatic or valid reason as to why the islands are Argentina. Any Argentine claims to the islands are little more than mere emotional cries.

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Falklands or Malvinas? (And Anglo-Saxon Bias)

Postby Parhe » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:03 pm

Abunya wrote:
Zrhajan wrote:I'd argue thusly. The Falklands were first claimed by France, then by Britain. The French were chased out, and Britain and Spain (Spain having a legitimate claim because pope) agreed to remain on the falklands without giving up the claims. However, Spain doesn't want the Falklands anymore, and Spain still exists, if anyone, Spain should control the Falklands. However, they don't want to, so the most legitimate claim remains the british claim. Also, as for the colonists who were "chased out" in the 1800s? they requested permission from the British to colonize, and were only forced out due to criminal acts.
As for sources, despite the reputation, Wikipedia has a 95% accuracy, which is pretty damn good. I highly doubt that it's going to be all to unreliable for an overview.


It wasn't colonists who were chased out though. It was Argentine people who were forcibly removed by British colonists.

Are Argentines and colonists exclusive?

Seriously the Argentine supporters are no different from the Japanese far right relying on sketchy, as well as now irrelevant, history to support modern claims against other countries in spite of modern reality.
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Postby Ecrotia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:03 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:I'M TELLING YOU TO FUCKING SHUT UP BECAUSEE YOU'RE SPREADING RACISTS RHETORIC THAT IN NO WAY HELPS THE DEBATE YOU TWAT

Losing your cool and screaming insults doesn't help the argument (or with keeping your nation). I get that you're angry—I've had plenty of times where I've wanted to say all sorts of nasty things to people, and a couple where I didn't hold back—but all it does is get you a forumban.

Sorry, alright. I wanted to have a civilised (or as civilised as it can get on NSG) debate on the Falklands without it being derailed. To be fair though, I only called him a twat because he was spreading racist rhetoric

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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:04 pm

Time out, ladies, gents, and those of non-binary gender. Go grab a coffee.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:05 pm

Good goddess, this thread is a bloody trainwreck. If I included EVERY instance of mild spam/trolling/baiting/etc, I'd probably have to include 95% of the posts made. Instead, I'm just sticking to the most egregious of it.

Infected Mushroom wrote:The Lion won fair and sqaure.
Infected Mushroom wrote:the USA remains a friend of the Lion
Infected Mushroom wrote:If a foreign nation (Argentina), can seize one of the islands of the Lion with impunity, then the Lion is no longer a nation to be feared.
Infected Mushroom wrote:other countries challenging the claims of the Lion.
Infected Mushroom wrote:the Lion's rightful claims to the islands is secured

*** WARNED for spamming/threadjacking. *** NSG is not the place for writing your alternate universe Game of Thrones historical drama fanfiction about an alliance between the United States and Casterly Rock. Take it to Arts & Fiction.

Kouralia wrote:(Image)
The Novakian Empire wrote:(Image)

Posts that consist of nothing but image spam really don't contribute anything. Stop that, shame on you.

Imperializt Russia wrote:Put down the crack pipe and come back in twenty minutes when you're a bit more calm.
I'm not certain even you know what you're talking about at this point. I certainly don't.

Given your history, and how this post really offers nothing but an attack on the OP, you get a *** 7-day ban for flamebaiting. ***

Mesrane wrote:Crack or weed?

Since you at this point have a largely non-existent warning history, you escape with an unofficial warning for the same. Stop that, shame on you!

Hurdegaryp wrote:Of course he is, since his Argentinian roots apparently compel him to do so.

Ordinarily this by itself would be mild enough to merit at worst an official warning. Problem is you've got an enormous rap sheet including a week long ban back in May. So I really can't just leave it at a warning. *** Two week ban for flamebaiting/trolling. ***

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Congrats, you're one of the worst fucking OP's I've seen in a long time.
Geilinor wrote:Congrats, you're one of the worst OP's I've ever seen.

So why didn't either of you make the initial thread report instead of wasting everybody's time dissing the opening post/poster? Stop that, shame on you!

Bjorden wrote:Sorry Argeniggas.

*** Warned for trolling. *** Nicknaming like that isn't cute, isn't clever, isn't funny, and IS a good way to get in trouble. Knock it off.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Congrats, you're one of the best fucking OP's I've seen in a long time! :hug:

Proud to be! :rofl:
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Hiding bits of your post in microscopic text doesn't work. Also, malicious quote editing.
The Northumbrian Republic wrote:Looks like your butthurt anglo saxon bias has been destroyed, lel.
:clap:
The Northumbrian Republic wrote:Looks like the white supremacist league of empire loyalists must resort to flaming and threats of violence.

And trolling. Plus plenty of spamming throughout your own thread, with a great many of your counter-"arguments" being to cry "Anglo-Saxon bias!" Given your conduct throughout the thread and your history, including the loss of several puppets, *** The Northumbrian Republic, DEAT for flaming/flamebaiting/trolling and a two-week ban from the forums. ***. I will also be bringing up your continued presence on this site up with my colleagues, as evidence so far suggests that deletions have failed to impress on you the need to follow the site rules.

Colonial Rhodesia wrote:ARGENTINA GO HOME TO YOUR MOTHERLAND WHILE YOU STILL HAVE ONE !!!!!!!!! :twisted: TIME TO GO HOME YOU UNWANTED BRUTES!!!!
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:I HATE ARGENTINA LETS NUKE EM!!!!!!
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:so SHUT UP !
Colonial Rhodesia wrote:Go home and kill some innocent Prods fighting for your Terrorist republic

Being sorry after the fact for flying into a blind rage does not excuse this behavior. You are responsible for your own actions, and you need to learn to recognize when you are losing your cool and to walk away from the computer until you've calmed back down. Given the sheer vitriol here, coupled with your history, *** Colonial Rhodesia, 1 week ban for flaming/trolling. ***


Ecrotia wrote:SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Ecrotia wrote:Shut the FUCK up unless you have something valuable to say
Ecrotia wrote:One, shut the fuck up. We're not talking about impossibilties (granted the Queen will die eventually). So unless you have actual valuable material that relates to the argument, shut the fuck up
Ecrotia wrote:THIS IS NOT A NORTHERN IRELAND THREAD YOU SON OF A BITCH! IF YOU ARN'T GOING TO PUT VALUABLE MATERIAL TO THE ARGUMENT THE FUCK OFF!
Ecrotia wrote:I'M TELLING YOU TO FUCKING SHUT UP BECAUSEE YOU'RE SPREADING RACISTS RHETORIC THAT IN NO WAY HELPS THE DEBATE YOU TWAT

You seem to be new, but this is NOT how we behave on this site. Capslock screaming by itself isn't actionable, but repeatedly ordering people you disagree with to shut up is spamming at best, and potentially flamebaiting at worst. Given the persistence and increasing vitriol of this line of behavior, what might have been just an unofficial or official warning is instead a *** 1 day ban for spamming/flaming ***.

The Neo-Hellenic Republic wrote:MALVINAS SON ARGENTINA , LA MUERTE DE BRETAÑA
The Neo-Hellenic Republic wrote:Stop telling me to shut the fuck up you stupid kid.

Given your history across multiple puppets and the multiple bans you've earned on this one in not even a full month, flaming others and yelling "Death to Britain!" is a spectacularly bad idea. *** The Neo-Hellenic Republic, DEAT and two week forumban for trolling/flaming. *** I will also be bringing up your continued presence on this site with my colleagues, as you have lost multiple nations in barely the span of two weeks.

Risottia wrote:
The Neo-Hellenic Republic wrote:I don't need to its obvious that I'm pulling it out of my arse

Fixed for truth.

Really? You should know better. Stop that, shame on you!

The Northumbrian Republic wrote:Someone is rigging the polls with A-S bias, resetting. 8)

While manipulating polls is not expressly against the rules, doing so to artificially trick users into voting for something besides what they had voted for is in extremely poor form, much like using sockpuppets to agree with yourself is. If it becomes enough of a problem, we can remove your ability to make polls, just like we can take away forum sigs or the ability to edit their own posts when those tools are misused.

All that being said, given the lackluster OP and the completely unrecoverable trainwreck the thread has turned into, thread stays locked.

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