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by Bhumidol » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:29 pm
by Linaviar » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:47 pm
Bhumidol wrote:I am of the opinion that the Omnibus precedent should NOT be overturned. The purpose of such a precedent ensures that legislation that enters into the Supreme Court is refined, concise, and less ambiguous. Overturning such an important cornerstone for the Constitutional Reform Amendment, though appearing to be necessary, is in reality an unnecessary move that endangers future corruption and possible deterioration of regional administration.
A simple solution is to go around the Omnibus precedent. This can be done to change the Constitutional Reform Amendment to only contain a provision for a constitutional convention that considers the changes wrought in by the current C.R.A. This method makes legislation with a concise purpose (establishing a C.R.A. to consider changing the constition), and avoids controversy by being too broad on an issue which, though necessitating broadness, is inappropriate for conventional judicial/governmental procedure.
by The Pacific Peace Union » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:57 pm
by Bhumidol » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:05 pm
by Vancouvia » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:07 pm
by Linaviar » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:18 pm
by Linaviar » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:19 pm
by Vancouvia » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:24 pm
by Great-Imperialonia » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:22 am
by Wildelyn » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:51 pm
by Linaviar » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:22 pm
Wildelyn wrote:I would like to purpose the Social Justice Protocol, It focuses on the aspects of Social Justice in the Region and Fair Trial.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=wild ... /id=447127
Great-Imperialonia wrote:I have got another proposal for you.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gre ... /id=443205
Thank you!
by Linaviar » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:50 pm
[box][b]CRA Vote:[/b] [color=green]AYE[/color]/[color=red]NAY[/color][/box]
APPRECIATING the work from so many nations to make this region better than before.
NOTING that is it difficult for an secretary to fulfill his/her duties because of less regional support.
HOPING to improve the regional political system.
WISHING to extend the executive branch to make it more easily for the secreatary's to fulfil his/her duties.
What is this amendment going to change?
Because it is difficult for a secretary to do his/her job, there needs to be a change. This change makes it possible to extend the branch.
This law makes every secretary (for example) the secretary of exterior a minister so (for example) minister of exterior.
But a title isn't making jobs more easily. That is why every ministers gets an assistant. The assisent gets the title "secretary". For example (minister of exterior has a secretary of exterior).
it will look like this:
Executive branch
President:
Vice President:
Minister of defence:
Secretary of defence:
Minister of interior:
Secretary of interior:
Minister of exterior:
Secretary of exterior:
What are the duties of a secretary?
The duties of the secretary are:
- helping the minister with his dutie
- sending reports to his minister
- controlling the minister
- take over the duties in abcence of the minister
How will this influence the elections?
There will be elections for the secreatry's position. Normal elections like there were for ministers. The only difference is that when an minister steps down, the secretary automatically gets the position of minister and there are elections for his new secretary.
FOR EXAMPLE in steps:
1. The minister of exterior steps down.
2. The secretary of exterior automatically becomes minister.
3. There are elections for a new secretary.
by The Pacific Peace Union » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:03 pm
by Bhumidol » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:37 pm
The Pacific Peace Union wrote:Firstly I am concerned with the last part of the legislation which says:
"How will this influence the elections?
There will be elections for the secreatry's position. Normal elections like there were for ministers. The only difference is that when an minister steps down, the secretary automatically gets the position of minister and there are elections for his new secretary.
FOR EXAMPLE in steps:"
This gives me the impression that "Ministers" cannot be challenged, since is states that elections will only be held for the Secretary's position if the minister steps down. The problem with that is it will allow the Minister and the Secretary to hold there positions for a lengthened amount of time, since the Minister is likely to refrain from resigning. In the constitution under re-elections it states:
"Any current non-officer can challenge a current officer for their position through an election. At this point any other non-officer, who was not the challenger, can also run for the position in the same election. Re-elections can only occur after the defending officer has spent a reasonable period of time in office, or the defending officer is inactive or otherwise clearly not fulfilling their duties."
This amendment is going against the italicized part since Ministers will be able to stay in office for more than a reasonable time but will still be able to avoid the challenge system. The Secretary is an even bigger issue since it will likely be a while till the Minister resigns, the Secretary will than by consequence also stay in office for a while. Than when the Minister does resign, the secretary will be promoted to Minister and extend his time being in office by an even larger margarin.
by The Pacific Peace Union » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:49 pm
by Great-Imperialonia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:18 am
The Pacific Peace Union wrote:Your concern regarding the secretary duties also concerned me. However due to other vaguely wording regarding the election process I still am confused on what the author has in mind and I request the author more specifically defines the election process regarding the Minister before I further elaborate this legislation.
by Cottoria » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:25 am
Factbookhttp://www.nationstates.net/nation=cottoria/detail=factbook/id=418421
Stance on Other Nation (If your not on it TG me)http://www.nationstates.net/nation=cottoria/detail=factbook/id=423331
by The Pacific Peace Union » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:14 am
by Linaviar » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:57 am
by Great-Imperialonia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:05 pm
Linaviar wrote:I had at first thought that this was a bill that would simply add extra positions and responsibilities, but the intent of the author clearly violates Article V, Section I: "Any current non-officer can challenge a current officer for their position through an election." If this is one of the central stated goals of the amendment, than it cannot be allowed to pass. Unless Great-Imperialonia both reworks the wording and intent of this bill to allow for the direct challenging of ministers and clarifies Article II, Section III: "Controlling the Minister," it must be declared unconstitutional.
On another note, if these changes are made, I would also recommend that grammar and spelling be cleaned up and, while certainly less important, have the style of the amendment be modified to fit the format of the constitution.
by Linaviar » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:13 pm
by The Pacific Peace Union » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:06 pm
Great-Imperialonia wrote:
Yes, but our region will have more places in the Executive branch, so more members in the region.
by Bhumidol » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:19 pm
CRA Vote: NAY
by Linaviar » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:25 pm
by Great-Imperialonia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:38 am
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