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World Cup 72 - Valanora/Equestrian States Host Bid

Postby Equestrian States » Thu May 28, 2015 6:25 pm

AN OFFICIAL HOST BID FOR...

WORLD CUP 72
VALANORA & EQUESTRIAN STATES

I. Introduction

The Valanora Footballing Association and the Hoofball Association of the Equestrian States proudly present for the World Cup Committee's consideration this bid to co-host the upcoming 72nd World Cup.

II. Host Nations

Valanora is known by most as the home of the elves and as a vast sporting power. Located on the Arrosia continent and surrounding isles in southwestern Atlantian Oceania, it is ruled by Lady Oromë officially but most see her husband Tobias Raynor as the true ruler of the country. Valanora is an empire, sometimes referred to the Eternal Empire, that grew out of a loose affiliation of alliances into a constitutional monarchy where the monarch has the majority of the power. The Raynor family having held the throne for nearly five thousand years, they have seen the nation through adversity and prosperity and their name is synonymous with Valanora in the diplomatic world. Vanorian technology is both quite advance and clean, thanks to elven ingenuity when it came to scientific breakthroughs as well as innate magic and a desire to do as little harm as possible to the environment. To that end, Valanora is infamous for having banned automobiles apart from government officials and the military.

Football is most definitely the most popular sport within Valanora, with an extensive and well supported program that reaches from the inner cities to the rural areas and with academies given to educate and train future Vanorian footballers. Valanora first appears in World Cup 29 under the name of Elves Security Forces, before taking the name of Valanora during World Cup 36 and being recognized in World Cup 38. It won its first of a record tying five World Cup titles in World Cup 40 in Starblaydia and dominated most of the 40 cycles with Starblaydia, the two winning six of the ten titles during that time. While the Marauders have fallen on hard times as of late, they are still respected through much of the world for the previous titles and the ability to win them when least expected to, with the famous Laborious Hawk and the hero quartet leading the way for the squad.

Known throughout the multiverse for its majority population of sapient equines, the Equestrian States is a diverse and advanced island nation located in southwestern Atlantian Oceania. Ruled by Princess Mi Amore Cadenza, the Equestrian States is a constitutional monarchy in name, though the Princess and the royal family hold considerably more political power than in most constitutional monarchies and thus play an active role in the country's government. Technologically, the nation is very advanced for one that only emerged from isolation a few decades ago, combining technology imported from its former regional allies with magic to quickly modernize without the pollution seen in many countries which undergo rapid industrialization. Described by many as a pleasant utopia inhabited by a friendly and diverse population of numerous sapient species which happily welcomes foreigners, the Equestrian States is a natural host nation with an economy which thrives on tourism and sports.

The most popular sport in the Equestrian States is easily football, which is more commonly known as hoofball by the country's sapient ungulate locals, and the Equestrians have a respectable history of participation in the sport's premier international competitions. First appearing in the Baptism of Fire prior to World Cup 58, the Equestrian States has competed in every World Cup since, finally qualifying for the first time at the tournament's 64th edition. Over the course of the next four cycles, the Ponies quickly rose through the rankings, peaking at 15th following a second round appearance at World Cup 67. Although no longer ranked as highly as they once were, the Ponies are again climbing through the rankings and boast an extremely talented squad featuring a few world-class players like star goalkeeper Gentle Breeze.

III. Format

Though the exact number of participants and groups is yet to be determined, our plan is to use a standard group stage format which ideally will allow all group winners to advance directly to the World Cup finals without needing to take part in a playoff. Teams that finish second in their groups will (most likely) take part in a two-leg playoff which would be seeded based on the participants respective results during qualifying. As it has at every World Cup, the finals will consist of 32 teams drawn into 8 groups of 4 divided between the two host nations. Valanora would host Groups A-D and the Equestrian States would host Groups E-H. The top two teams in each group will advance to the knockout rounds, culminating in the crowning of the world champions at the majestic Battleground in Raynor City, Valanora.

The tiebreakers to be used during both qualifying and the finals are, in the following order: points, H2H points, H2H goal difference, overall goal difference, H2H goals for, overall goals for, and a single-match playoff at a neutral venue (if necessary to determine advancement in the tournament).

IV. Scorination & RP Bonus

This bid will use xkoranate with the NSFS formula, but will use the xkoranate (additive) style modifiers over the NSFS3 (multiplicative) style mods. Without revealing the specific numbers, the RP bonus will be generous and cumulative throughout World Cup qualifying and the finals. There will be a carryover of any RP bonus earned during qualifiers to the finals which will be equivalent to approximately one MD worth of bonus.

When it comes to evaluating RPs, we respect that everyone has their own unique styles. But whatever style you prefer, we are looking for originality, creativity, and astute information usage in RPs. Don't expect to get much of a bonus if your opponent's posted a roster and you don't make any use of it in your match report RP. And as always: quality takes precedence over quantity.

V. Experience

The proposed co-hosts have both successfully hosted numerous WCC competitions in addition to other tournaments. If elected as hosts, there would be no shortage of experience whatsoever.

Valanora is one of the most experienced hosts of NS Sport, having hosted a wide variety of events with no less 9 WCC events as well as multiple WCoHs, CoH, regional competitions, the AOCL, the HCL, and one of the longest running domestic football leagues. The first World Cup being hosted in World Cup 39 along with Commerce Heights, with other notable tournaments including World Cup 45 with Vephrall and 47 with Kura-Pelland. Other tournaments hosted include the three editions of the Vahalla Invitational, as well as multiple Di Bradini Cups.

Equestrian States can safely be considered one of the NS Sports community's veteran hosts, most notably co-hosting the 67th World Cup alongside Cassadaigua and the 70th World Cup with the assistance of San José Guayabal, Mizuyuki, and Felix. Other major tournaments the user has hosted include the 57th Cup of Harmony (also co-hosted with Cassadaigua), 58th Baptism of Fire (co-hosted with Mizuyuki), 25th World Bowl, 25th and 29th World Baseball Classics, 21st World Cup of Hockey, and the 29th, 32nd, and 34th Di Bradini Cups. Lesser-known tournaments hosted by the Equestrian States include Quidditch World Cup 5, Runner Cup 3, Market Cup VI, and all four editions of the Equestria Cup.

Feel free to ask any questions!
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Postby San Jose Guayabal » Thu May 28, 2015 7:02 pm

Solid bid from two extremely experienced users, no complains with this bid, absolutely no complains, except a little question, why did you pick NSFS formula over SQIS?
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Postby Valanora » Thu May 28, 2015 7:14 pm

I view SQIS with an eye of suspicion as I believe it to extremely reliant upon the Rand part of the formula and diminishes the impact of Rank and RP. I feel like NSFS formula is more balanced when it comes to how much each of the three Rs factor into the results. While this does not mean NSFS does not have random results, in my opinion, it happens with far less than with SQIS.
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Postby Stvoto Latoli » Thu May 28, 2015 7:49 pm

Valanora wrote:I view SQIS with an eye of suspicion as I believe it to extremely reliant upon the Rand part of the formula and diminishes the impact of Rank and RP. I feel like NSFS formula is more balanced when it comes to how much each of the three Rs factor into the results. While this does not mean NSFS does not have random results, in my opinion, it happens with far less than with SQIS.

This is a partially valid opinion.

That being the case, the ways in which NSFS is less random than SQIS are narrow. Teams with very low ranks are much less likely to upset teams with very high ranks in NSFS, yes, but randomness is actually higher when teams are of a similar (but not identical rank). See below (N00bistan has a KPB of zero in the below sims - otherwise ranks are current).

NSFS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Osarius 100 96 4 0 412 48 +364 292
2 N00bistan 100 0 4 96 48 412 −364 4

SQIS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Osarius 100 79 15 6 216 41 +175 252
2 N00bistan 100 6 15 79 41 216 −175 33

NSFS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Frenline Delpha 100 54 25 21 148 102 +46 187
2 N00bistan 100 21 25 54 102 148 −46 88

SQIS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Frenline Delpha 100 75 20 5 196 42 +154 245
2 N00bistan 100 5 20 75 42 196 −154 35

Osarius will be happy that they aren't likely to be upset by an unranked, non-RPing n00b, but Frenline Delpha gets screwed - their efforts during the WC71 campaign now mean way less. Is that fair? What kind of randomness are we okay with?

This occurs because NSFS is not a ratio-based scorinator. SQIS is. Even with the set max points issue in NSFS now repaired, I'm still not satisfied with NSFS being used in large international tournaments like this. Max points may now be movable, but it still smooshes teams' ranks together because all KPBs are being compared to the max points constant.

I can't support a bid with this scorination formula, despite being in favor of it in literally every other way.
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Postby Valanora » Fri May 29, 2015 12:48 am

For the record, we're using the NSFS formula while utilizing xkoranate's scorination processes. As for your examples, I think that given the massive differences in ranks, with Frenline Delpha at a KPB score of 3, while Osarius is at 58 while the Noobistan has 0 is a bit skewed. I am not saying NSFS is a perfect formula either, as I have gone on many times that it is flawed, but so is SQIS and just about any other scorinator out there. Given that I over nine years of hosting have experimented with many different scorinators, I know the flaws and limitations of NSFS. However in my opinion the increased randomness that I have witnessed from SQIS over a prolonged period of time compared to what I have seen with NSFS have me preferring that, not to mention that the creator of SQIS admits that the formula is greatly broken and was never fixed to be used as excessively as it has been the last few years.
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Postby Yttribia » Sun May 31, 2015 11:16 am

Solid bid, although for the probable play-offs: will you be using the same play-off method proposed in World Cup 67 to use in case both legs lead to a draw between both teams? and I am offering my logo making skills once more...
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Postby Valanora » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:31 pm

We will likely have to, given that aggregate scoring has yet to be added into xkoranate.
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Postby Buyan » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:29 am

With the current field in mind, what would be the format of the qualifiers?
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Postby Valanora » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:52 am

We will likely run the start of the WC 3-5 days after the end of the BoF and the publishing of the new ranks. As for the format, likely going to see 20 groups of 7 format, with us hovering around 142 signups currently, with group winners qualifying and runners up into a playoff.
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Postby Santaclausisgodistan » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:06 pm

What effect would naming all my players Santa Claus have on RP Bonus?

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Postby Cosumar » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:49 pm

Equestrian States has fallen way behind the stated schedule for the Di Bradini Cup. Will whatever is preventing them from scorinating now (not sure what their circumstances are) be an issue when the World Cup rolls around?
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Postby Frenline Delpha » Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:03 pm

Stvoto Latoli wrote:
Valanora wrote:I view SQIS with an eye of suspicion as I believe it to extremely reliant upon the Rand part of the formula and diminishes the impact of Rank and RP. I feel like NSFS formula is more balanced when it comes to how much each of the three Rs factor into the results. While this does not mean NSFS does not have random results, in my opinion, it happens with far less than with SQIS.

This is a partially valid opinion.

That being the case, the ways in which NSFS is less random than SQIS are narrow. Teams with very low ranks are much less likely to upset teams with very high ranks in NSFS, yes, but randomness is actually higher when teams are of a similar (but not identical rank). See below (N00bistan has a KPB of zero in the below sims - otherwise ranks are current).

NSFS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Osarius 100 96 4 0 412 48 +364 292
2 N00bistan 100 0 4 96 48 412 −364 4

SQIS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Osarius 100 79 15 6 216 41 +175 252
2 N00bistan 100 6 15 79 41 216 −175 33

NSFS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Frenline Delpha 100 54 25 21 148 102 +46 187
2 N00bistan 100 21 25 54 102 148 −46 88

SQIS
-------------------------Pld     W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    Pts 
1 Frenline Delpha 100 75 20 5 196 42 +154 245
2 N00bistan 100 5 20 75 42 196 −154 35

Osarius will be happy that they aren't likely to be upset by an unranked, non-RPing n00b, but Frenline Delpha gets screwed - their efforts during the WC71 campaign now mean way less. Is that fair? What kind of randomness are we okay with?

This occurs because NSFS is not a ratio-based scorinator. SQIS is. Even with the set max points issue in NSFS now repaired, I'm still not satisfied with NSFS being used in large international tournaments like this. Max points may now be movable, but it still smooshes teams' ranks together because all KPBs are being compared to the max points constant.

I can't support a bid with this scorination formula, despite being in favor of it in literally every other way.

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Postby Valanora » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:31 pm

Cosumar wrote:Equestrian States has fallen way behind the stated schedule for the Di Bradini Cup. Will whatever is preventing them from scorinating now (not sure what their circumstances are) be an issue when the World Cup rolls around?

Honestly, if I knew what the issue was now, I'd be able to tell you. Based on the schedule that EQS had given me for the availability for the WC, I would say that it shouldn't be the issue, but given that I am not sure as to what the cause is at the moment, I can not say with certainty that it is the case.

What effect would naming all my players Santa Claus have on RP Bonus?

I am not inclined to give out specifics of the RPing scoring scale at this time.
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