Discussion Topics:
- How should voting for the parliament work?
- What should be the requirements for joining the union?
- What should be the treaties associated with the union?
by Ventismar Union » Sat May 02, 2015 3:02 am
by Ripuaria » Sat May 02, 2015 4:01 am
by Lindenholt » Sat May 02, 2015 4:03 am
by Felsinean Valley » Mon May 04, 2015 5:44 am
by Kurrlattvi » Mon May 04, 2015 12:42 pm
by Allentyr » Tue May 05, 2015 12:46 pm
Blazedtown wrote:I'll spell reaganomincs in your bathroom mirror in blood, and remove minorities from from your family photo albums
Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.
by Capsland » Tue May 05, 2015 12:55 pm
Allentyr wrote:So, who got the HQ in their nation again?
Felsinean Valley wrote:I reaffirm my proposal about the number of representatives: half the seats are assigned equally to each country, the other half according to the population. Also I'm completely against the UN system, which is extremely unrepresentative of people's will
Kurrlattvi wrote:Nice flag you got there... >.>
by Felsinean Valley » Sat May 09, 2015 10:32 am
by Ripuaria » Sat May 16, 2015 2:35 am
by Capsland » Sat May 16, 2015 4:31 am
Ripuaria wrote:So I've made an excel table to check the seats allocation. If we would have 500 total seats and divide half of them equally around the nations, each nations would receive ~41 seats. Here're the results for seats allocated based on populations:
Allentyr - 112(Total: 153)
Capsland - 44(Total: 85)
Felsina - 4(Total: 45)
Ripuaria - 0(Total: 41);_;
Lindenholt - 41(Total: 82)
Zenuha - 49(Total: 90)
In total 496 seats would be filled and 4 would be vacant.
One thing we could do to balance it is remove Allentyr's automatically given seats(41 seats) and redistribute them around the other nations. That means that each nation except Allentyr receives 50 seats and the results would be as following:
Allentyr - 111(Total: 111)
Capsland - 44(Total: 94)
Felsina - 4(Total: 54)
Ripuaria - 0(Total: 50)
Lindenholt - 40(Total: 90)
Zenuha - 48(Total: 98)
This keeps Allentyr's position at the top but only by a small margin instead of the massive one previously.
In total 497 seats would be filled and 3 would be vacant.
So...Does everyone agree with the latter system? We should start forming the alliances that would be running for elections so we could run and elect the president!
by Felsinean Valley » Sat May 16, 2015 4:45 am
Ripuaria wrote:So I've made an excel table to check the seats allocation. If we would have 500 total seats and divide half of them equally around the nations, each nations would receive ~41 seats. Here're the results for seats allocated based on populations:
Allentyr - 112(Total: 153)
Capsland - 44(Total: 85)
Felsina - 4(Total: 45)
Ripuaria - 0(Total: 41);_;
Lindenholt - 41(Total: 82)
Zenuha - 49(Total: 90)
In total 496 seats would be filled and 4 would be vacant.
One thing we could do to balance it is remove Allentyr's automatically given seats(41 seats) and redistribute them around the other nations. That means that each nation except Allentyr receives 50 seats and the results would be as following:
Allentyr - 111(Total: 111)
Capsland - 44(Total: 94)
Felsina - 4(Total: 54)
Ripuaria - 0(Total: 50)
Lindenholt - 40(Total: 90)
Zenuha - 48(Total: 98)
This keeps Allentyr's position at the top but only by a small margin instead of the massive one previously.
In total 497 seats would be filled and 3 would be vacant.
So...Does everyone agree with the latter system? We should start forming the alliances that would be running for elections so we could run and elect the president!
by Felsinean Valley » Sat May 16, 2015 11:29 am
by Ripuaria » Sat May 16, 2015 12:35 pm
Felsinean Valley wrote:However, I present you my current political scenario according to polls
http://i.imgur.com/pjfQ6oa.png
SLP, Social Liberals, in the EU would likely join EFDD, SLP is not as euro/ventisceptic as UKIP, but they think Ventismar's political jurisdiction should be limited to a smaller an area of competence than the current
Right HRAP, Liberals, both economically and socially, ALDE would be their party in the EU, better if slighty more rightist than ALDE is
YouFelsina, Pirates, so, Ventismarian Pirate Party
Greens, well, Greens (YF and Greens won't run together for the Ventismarian Parliament)
Socialdemocrats - Ophion Front, they'll try to form an Anti-Ventismar and Pro-Ophion group
United Left, Radical left, would be in GUE/NGL in the EU, will side with far left parties
Full Ahead!, similar to Marine Le Pen's Front National
LPU, Progressives, will join a center-left group
FAUFIRA, Agrarian Union, maybe Greens if they're not too much leftist or Conservatives
Autonomies, Federation of Regionalist Parties, basically rightist but they'll take account of any opportunity
Other parties aren't expected to win seats
by Felsinean Valley » Sat May 16, 2015 1:36 pm
Ripuaria wrote:I think that parties can form in every country independently but the Alliances are a combination of all the parties around the country. Parties in the national political system could form spin-off themselves for the Ventismar Union. Once elections arrive each nation would send results for each alliance in percentage, that gives the possibility that if there's no party of an alliance in a certain nation they can't receive any votes.
by Ripuaria » Sat May 16, 2015 1:45 pm
Felsinean Valley wrote:Ripuaria wrote:I think that parties can form in every country independently but the Alliances are a combination of all the parties around the country. Parties in the national political system could form spin-off themselves for the Ventismar Union. Once elections arrive each nation would send results for each alliance in percentage, that gives the possibility that if there's no party of an alliance in a certain nation they can't receive any votes.
That's more or less how it works in the EU, with the difference that parties don't need to affiliate with an alliance before elections, in fact new parties often join a group only after they were elected, forcing all the parties to do it before might be a problem: while in Italy we had only 11 lists running for the European Parliament, Greece had something like 50! So, alliances drawn up in this way would cause some issues
by Felsinean Valley » Fri May 22, 2015 10:17 am
by Ripuaria » Mon May 25, 2015 1:56 pm
by Capsland » Tue May 26, 2015 9:14 am
Ripuaria wrote:Regarding expansion of the Ventismar Union, the latest country to apply to join was the Federation of Allentyr.
The results for the VU elections in the country showed a dominant two party system with one of them receiving 82% of the votes, considering the side of seats the country receives I would like to deny Allentyr's entry to the union and set up a condition to join:
A nation looking to join the Union must have a healthy democratic multi-party system and cannot have in their most recent elections a party winning over 50% of the votes.
I would like to hear the opinion of the other member nations. So far all except one nation(Zenuha) have sent the results of the elections
by Ripuaria » Tue May 26, 2015 9:42 am
Capsland wrote:Ripuaria wrote:Regarding expansion of the Ventismar Union, the latest country to apply to join was the Federation of Allentyr.
The results for the VU elections in the country showed a dominant two party system with one of them receiving 82% of the votes, considering the side of seats the country receives I would like to deny Allentyr's entry to the union and set up a condition to join:
A nation looking to join the Union must have a healthy democratic multi-party system and cannot have in their most recent elections a party winning over 50% of the votes.
I would like to hear the opinion of the other member nations. So far all except one nation(Zenuha) have sent the results of the elections
I think if a party gets over 50% in an election, that country shouldn't be excluded from the VU. (or is that just for newcomers?).
Also if Zenuha doesn't send the results we can just go off the ones we have already ... or guess his results xD
by Lindenholt » Tue May 26, 2015 9:44 am
Ripuaria wrote:Regarding expansion of the Ventismar Union, the latest country to apply to join was the Federation of Allentyr.
The results for the VU elections in the country showed a dominant two party system with one of them receiving 82% of the votes, considering the side of seats the country receives I would like to deny Allentyr's entry to the union and set up a condition to join:
A nation looking to join the Union must have a healthy democratic multi-party system and cannot have in their most recent elections a party winning over 50% of the votes.
I would like to hear the opinion of the other member nations. So far all except one nation(Zenuha) have sent the results of the elections
by Capsland » Tue May 26, 2015 9:46 am
Ripuaria wrote:Capsland wrote:I think if a party gets over 50% in an election, that country shouldn't be excluded from the VU. (or is that just for newcomers?).
Also if Zenuha doesn't send the results we can just go off the ones we have already ... or guess his results xD
I just did the calculations and Allentyr's party would win 3 times more seats than any other party, might as well just call this a personal union with Allentyr...
by Felsinean Valley » Tue May 26, 2015 12:28 pm
by Ripuaria » Tue May 26, 2015 2:04 pm
Felsinean Valley wrote:I think Allentyrian can vote whoever they want, as long as parties can partecipate in free and democratic elections, but 82% isn't realistic in a democratic country, such a result can occur only in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia.. the 5 largest percentages won by a party in the EU in 2014 were Labour Party (Malta) 54,8%, Fidesz (Hungary) 51,5%, Unity (Latvia) 46,2%, HDZ (Croatia) 41,4% and Democratic Party (Banana RepublicItaly) 40,8%
So, unless he have a very good reason to explain the outstanding performance of that party, or he should reconsider his results
by Allentyr » Tue May 26, 2015 2:05 pm
Felsinean Valley wrote:I think Allentyrian can vote whoever they want, as long as parties can partecipate in free and democratic elections, but 82% isn't realistic in a democratic country, such a result can occur only in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia.. the 5 largest percentages won by a party in the EU in 2014 were Labour Party (Malta) 54,8%, Fidesz (Hungary) 51,5%, Unity (Latvia) 46,2%, HDZ (Croatia) 41,4% and Democratic Party (Banana RepublicItaly) 40,8%
So, unless he have a very good reason to explain the outstanding performance of that party, or he should reconsider his results
Blazedtown wrote:I'll spell reaganomincs in your bathroom mirror in blood, and remove minorities from from your family photo albums
Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.
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