Nordengrund wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
So you're not a libertarian, or at least you wish to force your religious beliefs on others, eh?
No matter how you look at it, somebody's rights are going to violated. Take abortion for example.
You cannot uphold the right to life of the child without violating the woman's bodily sovereignty nor can you uphold her bodily sovereignty without violating the baby's right to life.
This. Legally I support "muh bodily sovereignty" but morally I support "muh right to life". With URSS it's pro-life both ways though, which could be argued for in a libertarian way.
Kincoboh wrote:Grand Calvert wrote:
Very libertarian.
1. Marriage should be left as a religious affair; govt. has nothing to do w/ making sure gays can get married
2. Fetuses are human beings, no one has the right to kill them
3. There shouldn't even be public schools
There are secular marriages and pro-gay religions, you know. Do not want to get into abortion argument, but many conservatives tend to care more about fetuses than people. I think the current way of education should be reformed, but I don't think that ideologies should be the platform for education. I think learning about religions should be encouraged and celebrated, but I don't think that religion should be the platform for education.
You, internet debater, are intelligent and have well-thought-out opinions.
New Werpland wrote:Confederate Ramenia wrote:That seems like heavy progress for a country that not even a century ago had forced labor camps. Many western governments have some levels of suppression and censorship, as well, though of course that doesn't justify it. It simply is not on "medieval" or "tsar" levels. I'm gonna need a source on the opposition to gays and foreigners, as well. Russia's opposition to foreign cultural influence is certainly not menacing.
Putin is literally what you get when you take away all idealism and politburo from the Soviet Union. Putin was a part of the KGB for heaven's sake, he was a part of the people who were carrying out all the atrocities during the soviet period, at least the communists repressed nationalism, built infrastructure, and educated people. Putin wants power, and gets it by revving up medieval age nationalistic tendencies in Russian culture. Do you remember how he made it illegal for people from the U.S to adopt Russian orphans, because "he wants to preserve Russian culture". Letting a bunch of orphans stay in whatever horrible arrangements that Putin has waiting for them in Mother Russia, should be considered a human rights abuse. And this myth that Western nations are as big brothery as Russia, is incredibly stupid. Do you see David Koch being put in jail for embezzlement? Or what about Ted Cruz mysteriously dying while Obama blames it on ISIS?
All right. I agree with you about how Putin is non-idealist SU. I know he was KGB. Current Russia actually is building infrastructure and education, though. Yes, he is getting power through nationalism. No, the west does not do russian-level repression, and they certainly aren't gonna do it on people in the system like Koch and Cruz, but there is a giant database full of internet information, and that seems a little like a threat of blackmail.