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Will the Broncos make the playoffs in 2016?

Yes
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No
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The Raiders have a better chance
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Postby Edward Richtofen » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:48 pm

Bythyrona wrote:
Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

Camp fodder, most likely.

most likely. Imagine if he ends up second string and due to injury he starts and 2011 happens again
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:55 pm

Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

I hope he does, he got screwed over by the jets.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:59 pm

Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

He is a good man, but not that good of a player. He has a shot though.
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:09 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

I hope he does, he got screwed over by the jets.


He screwed himself by never fixing his mechanics and refusing to change positions.
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:35 am

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

He is a good man, but not that good of a player. He has a shot though.


He is a terrific player! Since when is a Heisman trophy winner "not that good"?

His first year at Denver looked a lot like Peyton's first year there, and Manning was given a better supporting cast.

The Jets totally misused him.

I can picture him as a double threat, the way Kordell Stewart, "Slash", of the Steelers was before he got injured.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:25 am

The REAL Glasers wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I hope he does, he got screwed over by the jets.


He screwed himself by never fixing his mechanics and refusing to change positions.

The jets grossly misused him, and never gave him a chance. If they didn't want him they never should have signed him
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Postby Torisakia » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:34 am

Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

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Postby Luminesa » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:35 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The REAL Glasers wrote:
He screwed himself by never fixing his mechanics and refusing to change positions.

The jets grossly misused him, and never gave him a chance. If they didn't want him they never should have signed him


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Postby Timsvill » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:46 am

Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

Maybe. He's like my boy johnny manziel (I'm a aggie, and proud of it), you have hope for him to do well. You hope he does well and proves the haters wrong. I don't hate Tim Tebow, I think he's a good guy for showing his religious side. But I don't like him. He's meh, to me. I hope he does well if he's given a shot.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:50 am

Pope Joan wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:He is a good man, but not that good of a player. He has a shot though.


He is a terrific player! Since when is a Heisman trophy winner "not that good"?

His first year at Denver looked a lot like Peyton's first year there, and Manning was given a better supporting cast.

The Jets totally misused him.

I can picture him as a double threat, the way Kordell Stewart, "Slash", of the Steelers was before he got injured.
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Postby New Skaaneland » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:32 am

I'm surprised anyone takes this sport as much as half seriously.
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Postby Tiami » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:32 am

New Skaaneland wrote:I'm surprised anyone takes this sport as much as half seriously.

And I'm appaled that you wouldn't post anything contributing in this thread.
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Postby Edward Richtofen » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:53 pm

Torisakia wrote:
Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

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or you know...torching FSU because FUCK FLORIDA STATE?
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Postby Bythyrona » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:50 pm

New Skaaneland wrote:I'm surprised anyone takes this sport as much as half seriously.

no one cares

Pope Joan wrote:He is a terrific player! Since when is a Heisman trophy winner "not that good"?

Larry Kelley
Clint Frank
Bruce Smith
Angelo Bertelli
Joe Bellino
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Archie Griffin
Charles White
Herschel Walker
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Torretta
Rashaan Salaam
Danny Wuerffel
Ron Dayne
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Mark Ingram

Bold=notable failure. I feel like I'm pretty generous with this list.
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Postby Castille de Italia » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:03 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
He is a terrific player! Since when is a Heisman trophy winner "not that good"?

His first year at Denver looked a lot like Peyton's first year there, and Manning was given a better supporting cast.

The Jets totally misused him.

I can picture him as a double threat, the way Kordell Stewart, "Slash", of the Steelers was before he got injured.
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Some Heisman Trophy winners are busts.

See: Johnny Manziel
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Postby Abidawe » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:09 pm

Bythyrona wrote:
New Skaaneland wrote:I'm surprised anyone takes this sport as much as half seriously.

no one cares

Pope Joan wrote:He is a terrific player! Since when is a Heisman trophy winner "not that good"?

Larry Kelley
Clint Frank
Bruce Smith
Angelo Bertelli
Joe Bellino
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Archie Griffin
Charles White
Herschel Walker
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Torretta
Rashaan Salaam
Danny Wuerffel
Ron Dayne
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Mark Ingram

Bold=notable failure. I feel like I'm pretty generous with this list.


You forgot Johnny Football, last season was laughable
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Postby Idzequitch » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:01 am

Edward Richtofen wrote:TEBOW IS BACK!
*SLUGS JAMEIS WINSTON IN THE FACE*
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... hia-eagles

I seriously doubt he's going to make the roster but I'm just thrilled to hear that he's back.
Anyone think he has a shot?

Considering the lack of talent at QB on the Eagles' roster, I could see him making the team as the 2nd string QB. He had the uncanny ability to win in Denver, even if his abilities are questionable.
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Postby Idzequitch » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:09 am

Bythyrona wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:He is a terrific player! Since when is a Heisman trophy winner "not that good"?

Larry Kelley
Clint Frank
Bruce Smith
Angelo Bertelli
Joe Bellino
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Archie Griffin
Charles White
Herschel Walker
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Torretta
Rashaan Salaam
Danny Wuerffel
Ron Dayne
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Mark Ingram

Bold=notable failure. I feel like I'm pretty generous with this list.

Those guys were all terrific players. Just because they did not have successful professional careers, doesn't mean they don't have considerable talent. Some were never given a proper supporting cast. Even Peyton would have been a bust if he'd been throwing to Darrius Heyward-Bey and Chaz Schilens his whole career. Others didn't have skill sets that translated properly from college ball. Regardless, if you are good enough to win the Heisman, you are not a bad football player. Period.
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Postby Tiami » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:42 am

Abidawe wrote:
Bythyrona wrote:no one cares


Larry Kelley
Clint Frank
Bruce Smith
Angelo Bertelli
Joe Bellino
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Archie Griffin
Charles White
Herschel Walker
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Torretta
Rashaan Salaam
Danny Wuerffel
Ron Dayne
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Mark Ingram

Bold=notable failure. I feel like I'm pretty generous with this list.


You forgot Johnny Football, last season was laughable

One season, thre starts, does not make any player a failure. Peyton Manning threw 28 picks or somewhere around there as a rookie. Blake Bortles was less than adequate when he was thrust in to the starting role. Bortles was not ready, nor was Manziel. If Manziel has a legitimate bad year, then label him as a bust. One year simply does not give a player enough time to find their rhythm.

As for Herschel Walker, he wasn't a bust. He had more than 12,000 total yards in his NFL career. Ricky Williams was a very successful running back with 12,000 total yards (not including return yards). Perhaps Walker didn't live up to expectations, but there is no denying that both were successful players.
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:51 am

Idzequitch wrote:
Bythyrona wrote:
Larry Kelley
Clint Frank
Bruce Smith
Angelo Bertelli
Joe Bellino
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Archie Griffin
Charles White
Herschel Walker
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Torretta
Rashaan Salaam
Danny Wuerffel
Ron Dayne
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Mark Ingram

Bold=notable failure. I feel like I'm pretty generous with this list.

Those guys were all terrific players. Just because they did not have successful professional careers, doesn't mean they don't have considerable talent. Some were never given a proper supporting cast. Even Peyton would have been a bust if he'd been throwing to Darrius Heyward-Bey and Chaz Schilens his whole career. Others didn't have skill sets that translated properly from college ball. Regardless, if you are good enough to win the Heisman, you are not a bad football player. Period.


Right. It is unfair to declare that a guy has "no talent" when he has earned this honor.
One serious problem for these guys is that they get drafted by failing teams. Often the team organizations are bad through and through (like the Browns). Often the owner and GM like to draw season ticket holders by getting new coaches and QBs every couple years, without building the lines, and without drafting receivers who can make plays and who are willing to block downfield.
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Postby Timsvill » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:47 am

Castille de Italia wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:Some Heisman Trophy winners are busts.

See: Johnny Manziel

Johnny manziel is not a bust. He doesn't have a good offensive line (with the brown), and every time the wide receivers caught the ball (in the bengals game) or got the balls in their hands, they would ether drop it, or get hit.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:41 am

Abidawe wrote:
Bythyrona wrote:no one cares


Larry Kelley
Clint Frank
Bruce Smith
Angelo Bertelli
Joe Bellino
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Archie Griffin
Charles White
Herschel Walker
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Torretta
Rashaan Salaam
Danny Wuerffel
Ron Dayne
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Mark Ingram

Bold=notable failure. I feel like I'm pretty generous with this list.


You forgot Johnny Football, last season was laughable


I would bold Bradford, but that's just me.
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Postby Bythyrona » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:10 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Bythyrona wrote:
Larry Kelley
Clint Frank
Bruce Smith
Angelo Bertelli
Joe Bellino
Terry Baker
John Huarte
Steve Spurrier
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Archie Griffin
Charles White
Herschel Walker
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Torretta
Rashaan Salaam
Danny Wuerffel
Ron Dayne
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow
Sam Bradford
Mark Ingram

Bold=notable failure. I feel like I'm pretty generous with this list.

Those guys were all terrific players. Just because they did not have successful professional careers, doesn't mean they don't have considerable talent. Some were never given a proper supporting cast. Even Peyton would have been a bust if he'd been throwing to Darrius Heyward-Bey and Chaz Schilens his whole career. Others didn't have skill sets that translated properly from college ball. Regardless, if you are good enough to win the Heisman, you are not a bad football player. Period.

No, what that list means is that they were garbage in the pros. I never said anything about their college career.
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Postby Armeia » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:16 pm

New Skaaneland wrote:I'm surprised anyone takes this sport as much as half seriously.

I'm surprised anyone takes Tim Tebow half seriously.
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Postby Idzequitch » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:20 pm

Armeia wrote:
New Skaaneland wrote:I'm surprised anyone takes this sport as much as half seriously.

I'm surprised anyone takes Tim Tebow half seriously.

I'm surprised anyone takes bandwagon Tebow haters seriously.
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