US gasoline prices may finally adjust to a reasonable figure

[Caninope]

The problem is the decentralization of America- how am I supposed to get to town? It's 4 miles away, and I'm not walking, nor do I want to pay $7 of gas. Does the train stop at X street, where my friend Y lives Z miles away?

I can get off the road anytime, but that's just not feasible in a train system, nor is it particularly feasible to set up a subway system, even if it is between cities and suburbs.

[NERVUN]

I just fueled up today, it was 126 yen/l. (Around and about $5 per gal).

And before you guys say anything about how Japan has wonderful public transportation (It does), I live in rural Japan. The store we go to is 20 minutes down the road, my school is 30 minutes away (26 km, or about 16 miles). But, see, Japan believes in smaller cars with much better fuel standards than the US.

It can be done and it just MIGHT get people out of their gas guzzlers.

I can't afford the payments on my smaller, much better fuel standard car.

I can't afford $7/gallon gas on top of that.

Ya know, the amazing thing is, America did so before...

when was this?

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

[Greed and Death]

I just fueled up today, it was 126 yen/l. (Around and about $5 per gal).

And before you guys say anything about how Japan has wonderful public transportation (It does), I live in rural Japan. The store we go to is 20 minutes down the road, my school is 30 minutes away (26 km, or about 16 miles). But, see, Japan believes in smaller cars with much better fuel standards than the US.

It can be done and it just MIGHT get people out of their gas guzzlers.

I can't afford the payments on my smaller, much better fuel standard car.

I can't afford $7/gallon gas on top of that.

Ya know, the amazing thing is, America did so before...

when was this?

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

yes but until we have trains run on the roads that wont help the situation.

[The Corparation]

Why not go with the price they pay in africa, the middle east, or south/central america?

I've been to Colombia several times.

Its the same as in the USA.

Look up world gas prices. Venezul recently had $0.12 gas

[Maurepas]

Why not go with the price they pay in africa, the middle east, or south/central america?

I've been to Colombia several times.

Its the same as in the USA.

Look up world gas prices. Venezul recently had $0.12 gas

Chavez '12, for $0.12 gas!

I'd vote for it,

[Orlkjestad]

Why not go with the price they pay in africa, the middle east, or south/central america?

I've been to Colombia several times.

Its the same as in the USA.

Look up world gas prices. Venezul recently had $0.12 gas

That is Venezuela, which is extremely left wing. Venezuela is also a major oil producer.

Colombia, as I said, is like the USA; doesn't have much oil (at least didn't tap it), ain't socialist, and quite friendly with the US.

[Brogavia]

The problem is the decentralization of America- how am I supposed to get to town? It's 4 miles away, and I'm not walking, nor do I want to pay $7 of gas. Does the train stop at X street, where my friend Y lives Z miles away?

I can get off the road anytime, but that's just not feasible in a train system, nor is it particularly feasible to set up a subway system, even if it is between cities and suburbs.

Its called tuck and roll.

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

I miss the big old boats.

[Allbeama]

I think if this happens, the Tea Party will finally start a revolution.

Which will result in total chaos and the Second American Civil War, due to the fact that so few of us here in the US can actually agree on anything. There would be at least 3 to 5 different factions involved.

Hell yeah Balkanization! I lead the Ustaše-esque movement!

Sign me up for the militant anarcho-communist atheists!

[NERVUN]

I just fueled up today, it was 126 yen/l. (Around and about $5 per gal).

And before you guys say anything about how Japan has wonderful public transportation (It does), I live in rural Japan. The store we go to is 20 minutes down the road, my school is 30 minutes away (26 km, or about 16 miles). But, see, Japan believes in smaller cars with much better fuel standards than the US.

It can be done and it just MIGHT get people out of their gas guzzlers.

I can't afford the payments on my smaller, much better fuel standard car.

I can't afford $7/gallon gas on top of that.

Ya know, the amazing thing is, America did so before...

when was this?

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

yes but until we have trains run on the roads that wont help the situation.

If the higher prices force Americans to demand smaller, more fuel efficient cars... It happened with the last gas shock as well. Gas hit $4 and SUV sales plunged. suddenly Toyota and Honda couldn't keep up with demand for hybrids.

[Caninope]

The problem is the decentralization of America- how am I supposed to get to town? It's 4 miles away, and I'm not walking, nor do I want to pay $7 of gas. Does the train stop at X street, where my friend Y lives Z miles away?

I can get off the road anytime, but that's just not feasible in a train system, nor is it particularly feasible to set up a subway system, even if it is between cities and suburbs.

Its called tuck and roll.

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

I miss the big old boats.

I fail to see how stopping fires that are on you has anything to do with the situation.

[South-Western Dakota]

The problem is the decentralization of America- how am I supposed to get to town? It's 4 miles away, and I'm not walking, nor do I want to pay $7 of gas. Does the train stop at X street, where my friend Y lives Z miles away?

I can get off the road anytime, but that's just not feasible in a train system, nor is it particularly feasible to set up a subway system, even if it is between cities and suburbs.

Its called tuck and roll.

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

I miss the big old boats.

Ahhh the glory days when cars had fins A friend of mine has a very old caddy in that style, and I am jealous

[Panzerjaeger]

I think if this happens, the Tea Party will finally start a revolution.

Which will result in total chaos and the Second American Civil War, due to the fact that so few of us here in the US can actually agree on anything. There would be at least 3 to 5 different factions involved.

Hell yeah Balkanization! I lead the Ustaše-esque movement!

Sign me up for the militant anarcho-communist atheists!

Hell yeah we got ourselves a war son.

[Brogavia]

I fail to see how stopping fires that are on you has anything to do with the situation.

That's stop drop and roll.

Tuck and roll is where you protecting your head and curling into a ball as you jump off, so you roll instead of just hitting the ground like a brick.

[Caninope]

I think if this happens, the Tea Party will finally start a revolution.

Which will result in total chaos and the Second American Civil War, due to the fact that so few of us here in the US can actually agree on anything. There would be at least 3 to 5 different factions involved.

Hell yeah Balkanization! I lead the Ustaše-esque movement!

Sign me up for the militant anarcho-communist atheists!

Hell yeah we got ourselves a war son.

I'll side with the South. Because they're the ones who have to initiate the war.

[Greed and Death]

I just fueled up today, it was 126 yen/l. (Around and about $5 per gal).

And before you guys say anything about how Japan has wonderful public transportation (It does), I live in rural Japan. The store we go to is 20 minutes down the road, my school is 30 minutes away (26 km, or about 16 miles). But, see, Japan believes in smaller cars with much better fuel standards than the US.

It can be done and it just MIGHT get people out of their gas guzzlers.

I can't afford the payments on my smaller, much better fuel standard car.

I can't afford $7/gallon gas on top of that.

Ya know, the amazing thing is, America did so before...

when was this?

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

yes but until we have trains run on the roads that wont help the situation.

If the higher prices force Americans to demand smaller, more fuel efficient cars... It happened with the last gas shock as well. Gas hit $4 and SUV sales plunged. suddenly Toyota and Honda couldn't keep up with demand for hybrids.

Toyota is actually in a slump for demand of all of their cars ATM.

[Brogavia]

Toyota is actually in a slump for demand of all of their cars ATM.

That's because everyone found out Toyotas are death traps.

[Gilea]

I'd need a new car to afford $7 a gallon gas. 70 dollars a gallon is redonkulous in AZ. We lack a decent transit system, we're prone to heat stroke, and any public transport we try to have or want eventually gets tossed. Sorta why here in my town he have rails and lines but no trolleys, a crappy bus system, and you can't find a decent fucking bus station without two giving you heat stroke or trying in summer. Our money gets sucked into Phoenix and tourism. *Jazz hands*

We desperately need better public transit, but, since I drive, I accept being hosed. My SUV goers 2 weeks on one tank to work. I'd just want a more fuel efficient car to help make gas cheaper.

[South Norwega]

The problem is the decentralization of America- how am I supposed to get to town? It's 4 miles away, and I'm not walking, nor do I want to pay $7 of gas. Does the train stop at X street, where my friend Y lives Z miles away?

I can get off the road anytime, but that's just not feasible in a train system, nor is it particularly feasible to set up a subway system, even if it is between cities and suburbs.

4 miles is quite easy on bicycle.

[Greed and Death]

Toyota is actually in a slump for demand of all of their cars ATM.

That's because everyone found out Toyotas are death traps.

not really a trap as a trap stays still, the Toyota takes you to your firey doom.

[Caninope]

Toyota is actually in a slump for demand of all of their cars ATM.

That's because everyone found out Toyotas are death traps.

Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!

[Objectivist Aynrandia]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

It would require more than that. It would require a complete rebuilding of American communities. The American suburb is simply not designed to allow any mode of transport other than private automobiles. They are built with the assumption that everyone will drive everywhere. Any public transport system that could accommodate the majority of residents in these suburbs would be ridiculously expensive. In most American suburbs, there is simply no feasible way to go to work, go to the store, etc. if you do not have a car.

Even if you were to build rail systems from the suburbs to the cities, it would still leave many people with a commute that they must drive. For example, I live in the New York metro region. Public transit use is higher in this area than any other metropolitan area in the country. If you live in the suburbs and want to go to the city, public transport is a fantastic option. If you want to go anywhere OTHER than the city, you basically have to drive. "All roads lead to Rome." Or in this case, all public transport.

Eventually, the world WILL begin to run out of oil and Gasoline WILL go to $7 per gallon on market forces alone w/o any taxes at all. I hope that by then, we have begun to build fewer McMansions and more communities where you can actually shop and work near where you live. Market forces will eventually get us there, but I fear there will be a lot of pain along the way.

Fortunately, I am in the process right now of buying an apartment very close to where I work. Close enough that I can commute by bike without much difficulty. Unfortunately, not everyone has that luxury.

[Panzerjaeger]

Toyota is actually in a slump for demand of all of their cars ATM.

That's because everyone found out Toyotas are death traps.

Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!

[NERVUN]

I just fueled up today, it was 126 yen/l. (Around and about $5 per gal).

And before you guys say anything about how Japan has wonderful public transportation (It does), I live in rural Japan. The store we go to is 20 minutes down the road, my school is 30 minutes away (26 km, or about 16 miles). But, see, Japan believes in smaller cars with much better fuel standards than the US.

It can be done and it just MIGHT get people out of their gas guzzlers.

I can't afford the payments on my smaller, much better fuel standard car.

I can't afford $7/gallon gas on top of that.

Ya know, the amazing thing is, America did so before...

when was this?

Gas shortage. Notice how during the 70's when the Japanese cars took off American automakers (grudgingly) switched from making aircraft carriers into smaller cars?

yes but until we have trains run on the roads that wont help the situation.

If the higher prices force Americans to demand smaller, more fuel efficient cars... It happened with the last gas shock as well. Gas hit $4 and SUV sales plunged. suddenly Toyota and Honda couldn't keep up with demand for hybrids.

Toyota is actually in a slump for demand of all of their cars ATM.

Gas prices also have dropped down.

But when it was over $100 a barrel? Oh yeah.

[Caninope]

Toyota is actually in a slump for demand of all of their cars ATM.

That's because everyone found out Toyotas are death traps.

Toyota: Keep moving forward, even when you don't want to!

I give you permission to sig it.

Oh and: viewtopic.php?p=1915116&sid=55ac916754dfd96afd9d01b55e20af9f#p1915116

Enjoy.

[Caninope]

I fail to see how stopping fires that are on you has anything to do with the situation.

That's stop drop and roll.

Tuck and roll is where you protecting your head and curling into a ball as you jump off, so you roll instead of just hitting the ground like a brick.

But I like bricks!