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Caught in Political Limbo: TSP’s Forum Troubles

Postby The Rejected Times » Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:39 pm

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Caught in Political Limbo: TSP’s Forum Troubles
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"The website has been temporarily disabled due to excessive resource usage."

The South Pacific's Assembly has voted down, not one, but two constitutional amendments to alter the region’s official url address to facilitate a change to a new forum host. The current forum host, 10Hosting (x10) has regularly blocked access to the forum throughout today because of 'excessive resource usage' – an hourly cap on forum activity; for the past month, the forum’s Admin CP and the forum in general has become increasingly less accessible due to the host’s overzealous anti-spam detection system.

Representing the worst of southern politics, The South Pacific’s forum has been caught in ‘political limbo’ between its firebrands and standpatters; one side wishing to move the forum to a new, privately owned host and another minority, opposing the move to a private host (and others bizarrely arguing a change is not necessarily, despite the constant forum downtimes). A constitutional amendment requires the Assembly to approve the decision with 75% support in favour – an onerous task which has proved unattainable. With few options available and the status quo becoming increasingly unbearable, The South Pacific’s forum has been ‘stuck between a rock and a hard place’.

When he spoke with The Rejected Times earlier tonight, Glen-Rhodes, co-root admin of the forum, sounded optimistic that a compromise would be reached soon.

"The plan the Admin Team presented to the Assembly garnered support from more than 60% of voters," says Glen-Rhodes. "There's a clear majority in favor of the plan. It's simply a matter of clearing up misunderstandings, convincing a few voters why it's the best option, and for some getting beyond petty politics."

The Charter of The South Pacific may offer some relief from The South Pacific’s problem, however, with one clause noting ‘Should the Regional Forum cease to exist or otherwise become permanently unavailable then the Cabinet is authorized to establish a replacement Regional Forum.’ The problem here is determining what constitutes ‘permanently unavailable’ – the onerous hourly caps on The South Pacific’s forum activity has allowed for brief periods of access for users and otherwise, the functionality of the forum has been, while troublesome, not ‘completely’ unavailable. A legal question to resolve these issues had been forwarded to the High Court but the server’s current downtime may prevent justices from responding to the open legal question.

Kringalia urged assembly-goers to reconsider the status quo and The South Pacific's hosting situation.

"I hope the Assembly takes note of the increasing instability of our host as a signal that we cannot wait anymore," says Kringalia. "The forum administration has proposed a plan for a seamless transition to a new service, and we should work together to make it a reality."

While some curse the unreasonableness of the body politic in The South Pacific, others curse the move from Zetaboards altogether; these troubles and more, not only reflect The South Pacific’s divided, uncompromising politics, but also adds to the ongoing, rabble-roused local drama.


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Postby Tim Stark » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:38 pm

I don't get why they'd ever pick something like x10, to be honest, rather than just going back to ZB or IF after the collapse of their IPB forum. Best of luck to TSP, I guess, and hopefully a lesson learned to use decent forum software.
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Postby Kringalia » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:02 pm

The problem is with the host, not with the forum software. MyBB is working just fine.
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Postby Hileville » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:17 pm

GR - TRT wrote:"The plan the Admin Team presented to the Assembly garnered support from more than 60% of voters," says Glen-Rhodes. "There's a clear majority in favor of the plan. It's simply a matter of clearing up misunderstandings, convincing a few voters why it's the best option, and for some getting beyond petty politics."


It is more than petty politics and convincing others. 40% of the voters don't want to go to an option where you are the host and providing financial support for the forum. A big chunk of that 40% was also not happy with the way you didn't get what you wanted the first time so you tried it again. Tsu (co-root) even voted against this idea the second time because of how you handled it. I am even more disappointed in the fact that you plan on bringing your proposal to vote a 3rd time. You don't get to keep pushing a vote through on something you want to pass.
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Postby Kringalia » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:32 pm

I am the one who motioned the second vote, so it is incorrect to claim that Glen is forcing a measure against the will of the region. You are also conveniently ignoring the 60% that does approve of the Host Move Plan. It is not as simple as claiming that we are forcing our plan as if it lacked any support at all, because it does have a great deal of support.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:40 pm

Hileville was not "conveniently ignoring" the other side, nor was he acting like the other side doesn't exist at all. He was only trying to better represent the 40% that aren't in favor.

I don't have a horse in this race. I just don't like seeing someone's comments being twisted; intentional or not.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:01 am

I never get why technical problems have to be solved through region-political means.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:06 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:I never get why technical problems have to be solved through region-political means.


Because otherwise that wouldn't be democratic and clearly makes your region an oppressive dictatorship if you move forums without having a vote.
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Postby Lord Ravenclaw » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:57 am

The Rejected Times moaning about TSPs forum problems. Interesting. Me thinks hats have been mixed up.
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Postby Carta II » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:40 am

IMO, TSP should return to a ZB board, with Tsunamy and Southern bellz sharing root admin. Maybe Fudgie too. The current admin staff should be retained and chiefly responsible for administrating the forum as Fudgie was when Tsu was root in the old days, but it should be made sure that root is accessible when needed.

2 cents. It worked before.

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Postby Great Brigantia » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:34 am

Carta II wrote:IMO, TSP should return to a ZB board, with Tsunamy and Southern bellz sharing root admin. Maybe Fudgie too. The current admin staff should be retained and chiefly responsible for administrating the forum as Fudgie was when Tsu was root in the old days, but it should be made sure that root is accessible when needed.

2 cents. It worked before.

This seems like good advice from an outsider's perspective as well. Independent hosting has caused nothing but trouble in TSP; this is now the second independently hosted forum to go down, and more than the second time the forum has caused huge amounts of controversy.
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Postby Kringalia » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:22 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:I never get why technical problems have to be solved through region-political means.

It shouldn't, but for some weird reason our Charter includes the specific URL of the forum, and that is precisely the thing that needs to change for the Admin plan to work. :/
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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:44 pm

Carta II wrote:IMO, TSP should return to a ZB board, with Tsunamy and Southern bellz sharing root admin. Maybe Fudgie too. The current admin staff should be retained and chiefly responsible for administrating the forum as Fudgie was when Tsu was root in the old days, but it should be made sure that root is accessible when needed.

2 cents. It worked before.


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Postby Great Brigantia » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:10 pm

Kringalia wrote:It shouldn't, but for some weird reason our Charter includes the specific URL of the forum, and that is precisely the thing that needs to change for the Admin plan to work. :/

That isn't a "weird reason," it's standard practice in Feeders and Sinkers. It's a preventative measure against a rogue Delegate changing the forum. Obviously, a rogue Delegate could still do that, but with the URL in the Charter it would be unambiguously illegal. It also prevents an individual or small group from making a decision that should be a community decision. There's no reason something as important as a forum change, given the importance of the forum to an active gameplay region, shouldn't require the consent of three-quarters of the community.

There are actually people whispering to The Miniluv Messenger that they believe the forum is being deliberately obstructed to enable a Charter provision that allows the Cabinet to change forums in an emergency without an Assembly vote. I sincerely hope that isn't the case, but it speaks to the level of distrust that this constant insistence on hosting a forum on your group's terms is creating within The South Pacific. If you actually care about the health of your community, you'll find a compromise for once instead of pushing the same defeated proposal for the third time.
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Postby Pestarzt the Traveller » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:28 pm

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Postby Escade » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:46 pm

When we moved to the current forums we're on there was a lot of controversy over this exact issue. Zetaboards was discussed as an option and one I supported but several people at the time rejected it for having multiple issues and as a non-technical person its hard to figure out what exactly people are saying and whether its technically motivated or politically. Now we're back to the same issue.

We're having a discussion and can come to some sort of compromise so that everyone is happy since its a move for the entire region.

The thing that sucks about forum moves is losing everything again. I mean Archives are a mess because you can't easily search them or sort through them so anything important has to be copy\pasted which isn't pretty.

I wish NS had built in forums that regions could use with some sort of way for the delegate (and maybe eventually officers) to moderate posting.
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Postby Venico » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:04 pm

Escade wrote:I wish NS had built in forums that regions could use with some sort of way for the delegate (and maybe eventually officers) to moderate posting.


I wholeheartedly agree, we should give delegates and officers way more power for raiders to abuse...but no sensible GP smart region would keep their board on NS where a raider/rogue delegate could delete everything. I mean, I wish people did so I could purge their little communities of everything...but alas, it is only a raider's dream.
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Postby Escade » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:09 pm

There's always a raider gearing up to break an optimist's heart :P

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Postby Venico » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:13 pm

Escade wrote:There's always a raider gearing up to break an optimist's heart :P


No but seriously I'm so pumped for regional officers. A non update dictated position of power in a region? Gameplay is no longer restricted to 2 hours of a day.
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Postby Escade » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:29 pm

Venico wrote:
Escade wrote:There's always a raider gearing up to break an optimist's heart :P


No but seriously I'm so pumped for regional officers. A non update dictated position of power in a region? Gameplay is no longer restricted to 2 hours of a day.


It's like I was super excited about regional officers like the polls feature and now I'm slightly afraid.

Poor defenseless lambs and bunnies all over the NS world skipping along in their rainbow bubbles thinking that regional officers will allow them to, for example, appoint an official WFE designer and not knowing that in the darkness waits....

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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:44 pm

Escade wrote:
Venico wrote:
No but seriously I'm so pumped for regional officers. A non update dictated position of power in a region? Gameplay is no longer restricted to 2 hours of a day.


It's like I was super excited about regional officers like the polls feature and now I'm slightly afraid.

Poor defenseless lambs and bunnies all over the NS world skipping along in their rainbow bubbles thinking that regional officers will allow them to, for example, appoint an official WFE designer and not knowing that in the darkness waits....

Isn't it just so deliciously evil???
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Postby Solorni » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:49 am

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Postby Consular » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:00 am

TSP always seems to be in the middle of some drama or another. I wonder if its actually as mired in controversy as appears, or if Unibot just has such a vested interest in the region that it receives more coverage.

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Postby Kringalia » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:26 am

Nah. It's just that NS newspapers write about us mostly when we are in some kind of controversy. We have plenty of non-controversial stuff that doesn't get reported, most of the time. It's not just Unibot, in that regard. I understand why it happens, but do wish it wasn't always the case. :P
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:36 am

Venico wrote:No but seriously I'm so pumped for regional officers. A non update dictated position of power in a region? Gameplay is no longer restricted to 2 hours of a day.

More like 3 and growing.
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