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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:57 am

Long on opinion, short on facts. Typical Unibot fluff.

Has nobody ever told him that brevity is the soul of wit?
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:00 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Long on opinion, short on facts. Typical Unibot fluff.

Has nobody ever told him that **brevity is the soul of wit?


** Brevity is wit
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Postby Pestarzt the Traveller » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:05 am

The Rejected Realms Media Corporation wrote:
Darkesia wrote:"I read the whole piece.
I really did!
An accomplishment in itself," Darkesia said.

Historical accuracy is not his thing.
But this poli-prose is Uni's top game.

Inaccuracies aside, one truth is sticking:
TWP will be new and

The
Clock
is
Ticking


Tick, tock. The clock strikes two.

"We'll be newer than new is new anew," Darkesia said, "the newest hue, of the red, purgle and blue."

Knock, knock. Guess who?

"Me." Who is me? They would ask. I am she and we are we.

Who will we be when the clock strikes three? Oh my giddy aunt! You'll just have to wait and see...


We see you can rhyme, but for facts, is there time?

You cry "Milogracy" kills and makes him a "Gawd",
Have you forgotten all the ways the UDL was so flawed?
A man without whose activity the thing is to sink,
Without you, the UDL slid to the brink!

Under Mahaj, activity was a mirage:
When, in TRR, you hit the hay
can you honestly say it'll stay all the same?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:06 am

Ridersyl wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Long on opinion, short on facts. Typical Unibot fluff.

Has nobody ever told him that **brevity is the soul of wit?


** Brevity is wit



"brevity is the soul of wit" - spoken by Polonius in Hamlet.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:12 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:
** Brevity is wit



"brevity is the soul of wit" - spoken by Polonius in Hamlet.


I know, I know. "Brevity is wit" is an example of brevity within the quote itself. It's a nerdy joke, sorry. :p
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:25 am

Pestarzt the Traveller wrote:Under Mahaj, activity was a mirage:
When, in TRR, you hit the hay
can you honestly say it'll stay all the same?


Sorry, were you saying something? I thought I heard a who.

A who who slept in the Chief's hotel, unless he was credited for the success of the UDL.

A who who couped his own region to hell, all because of a wouldy wight with a big scary Bel.

A who who was elected Chair for the red sink twice, only to abandon it like wiggy, wet, widdle mice.

Remember this, if you remember anything at all: a bully is a bully, no matter how small.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:25 am

Ridersyl - Got me, I missed it completely. It's been a long day.... :)
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Postby Pestarzt the Traveller » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:44 am

Unibot III wrote:
Pestarzt the Traveller wrote:Under Mahaj, activity was a mirage:
When, in TRR, you hit the hay
can you honestly say it'll stay all the same?


Sorry, where you saying something? I thought I heard a who.

A who who slept in the Chief's hotel, unless he was credited for the success of the UDL.

A who who couped his own region to hell, all because of a wouldy wight with a big scary Bel.

A who who was elected Chair for the red sink twice, only to abandon it like wiggy, wet, widdle mice.

Remember this, if you remember anything at all: a bully is a bully, no matter how small.

Yes, I stayed in this 'hotel' before I cleaned slate.
Its cult-ure was worse than the Water-gate.

Yes, I couped my own region to hell,
but if I had made it defender, would you-uh-have yelled?

I am not perfect, but a bully I'm not.
There are more skeletons in your closet than there are clots in your thought!

You won't respond to my question because we both know the answer.
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Postby United RussoAsia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:46 am

Bullsh*t article. You can tell by the way it's written.
Besides, when it becomes your business to manage us, we will most certainly let you know. Until then, I would recommend you pack up your sh*tty comments and your trashy opinions and leave us be.
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Postby Kyrkberg » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:51 am

Seemed more like Unibot was discussing the recent trends in TWP rather than actually trying to dictate to it or 'manage' it, United RussoAsia

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Postby United RussoAsia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:53 am

Doesn't make him any less wrong.
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Postby Onderkelkia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:13 pm

I have been asked to correct some inaccuracies in this paper.

The Rejected Realms Media Corporation wrote:Imperialists, after all, made for natural allies to The West Pacific – the old guard, bitter enemies of the fallen ADN, were far less likely to find common ground with defenders than imperialists like North-East Somerset or Onderkelkia – chums of the old guards from their days as regular coupers when Westwind’s Crimson Order in The North Pacific and The Empire in The East Pacific relied on military support from imperialists.

In your eagerness to wax lyrical about the events of 2008, in a very different gameplay environment, you have exaggerated the extent of my association.

I joined TNI from the LKE in May 2008 (i.e. after the Crimson Order's coup of The North Pacific); the LKE had no role in supporting it. While I was TNI Director of Intelligence in the latter half of 2008, I had no input whatsoever into any discussions with regard to our policy on the Empire in TEP; this was before I became Crown Prince and Commander of the Armed Forces in 2010. These decisions were entirely handled by the Government, specifically by Sir Pitt/Posul (the Chancellor), who had left TNI politics (until a relatively brief return in mid-2014) by the end of 2008 after failing to gain re-election.

So what on what basis am I described as one of the "chums of the [TWP] old guard"? I'm nothing of the sort. I've never even spoken to them directly.

As ever, TRR Times prioritises innuendo over fact as it rushes to portray the situation in terms most easily crafted to suit defender propaganda.

The Rejected Realms Media Corporation wrote: In some senses, Cassius Cerebella is a cautionary tale: if you’re relying on someone as a local front for closer relations with a region, as imperialists were, make sure you can trust them.

My understanding is that Cassius Cerebella was a member of TWP well before he became a member of the United Imperial Armed Forces.

Certainly, for the much of his period as Commander of TWP Armed Forces (including while he was in UIAF after Albion joined) neither NES nor I had actually ever spoken to him once. His position in TWP as military commander was arguably higher-ranking than his position in Albion and certainly for the UIAF.

To suggest that Cassius Cerebella was in TWP as some sort of 'local front' for the UIAF is nothing short of defamatory against both him and the UIAF.

The Rejected Realms Media Corporation wrote:The Revolutionary Party would raise eyebrows when it would lead an invasion of Cascadia with the Association of Imperialism, [...] and Onderkelkia praising the mission, the message was clear: “this revolution ain’t no defender fest” that’s for sure,

Really, I did not even offer specific praise. All I said was:
Congratulations to The West Pacific Armed Forces on the operation in Cascadia.

Never has such an innocuous offer of congratulations been so wildly misconstrued as possessing geopolitical significance.
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Postby Darkesia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:17 pm

Be nice, RA. Unibot and I once tilted at the same windmill (Rule 4) and organized our assault from the halls of TWP. We failed. And we landed on opposing sides of the spirit of NS. But I still admire his perseverance and ability to focus on his own goals. Even when I think he is wrong.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:17 pm

Then Souls came online; read Rejected Times,
When what did he find, but a battle of rhymes!

Grinning, he chuckled - "Why that seems good fun!"
"To think, it's a thread that many do shun!"

But soon it grew vile, insults veiled in prose.
Wars of wit, long and short, throwing their throes.

What happened to Syl, and a small harmless joke?
Must this go on until out the redtext is broke?

Can't we all get along, skip the personal attacks?
And stick, like news should, to good old hard facts?
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Postby United RussoAsia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:44 pm

Darkesia wrote:Be nice, RA. Unibot and I once tilted at the same windmill (Rule 4) and organized our assault from the halls of TWP. We failed. And we landed on opposing sides of the spirit of NS. But I still admire his perseverance and ability to focus on his own goals. Even when I think he is wrong.

I respect your order, and will follow it.
However, his goal at this point seems to be to make us look bad, using anything he can get his hands on, false, opinion, or otherwise.
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Postby Wickedly evil people » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:47 pm

we've never had GP conflict in TWP since my initial time as Delegate.


all the so called forum based democracies are all the same players.


they just move around, if all there is to being good at 'game play' is to act like Unibot, well then a good cleansing would be in order.
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Postby United RussoAsia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:51 pm

Agreed.
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Postby Kyrkberg » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:30 pm

Wickedly evil people wrote:all the so called forum based democracies are all the same players.


Wait, what? That doesn't even make any sense.

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Postby Consular » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:38 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:
The Rejected Realms Media Corporation wrote: In some senses, Cassius Cerebella is a cautionary tale: if you’re relying on someone as a local front for closer relations with a region, as imperialists were, make sure you can trust them.

My understanding is that Cassius Cerebella was a member of TWP well before he became a member of the United Imperial Armed Forces.

Certainly, for the much of his period as Commander of TWP Armed Forces (including while he was in UIAF after Albion joined) neither NES nor I had actually ever spoken to him once. His position in TWP as military commander was arguably higher-ranking than his position in Albion and certainly for the UIAF.

To suggest that Cassius Cerebella was in TWP as some sort of 'local front' for the UIAF is nothing short of defamatory against both him and the UIAF.

I was not even going to bother responding. Baseless slander is pretty much all I expect from this paper.

Regarding TWP, the rest of the world can keep their false 'democracies'. We will adapt along our own path, as we always have.

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Postby Unibot III » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:49 pm

Wickedly evil people wrote:they just move around, if all there is to being good at 'game play' is to act like Unibot, well then a good cleansing would be in order.


Thanks, I didn't have solid proof of the off-the-cuff "threatened to coup" remark.
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Postby Consular » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:53 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Wickedly evil people wrote:they just move around, if all there is to being good at 'game play' is to act like Unibot, well then a good cleansing would be in order.


Thanks, I hadn't had solid proof of the off-the-cuff "threatened to coup" remark.

See, against a generic politician, catching them in a quote like that might be an actual victory. But Eli genuinely doesn't give half a care about what you think. Nor does anyone else in TWP.

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Postby Zaolat » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:59 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Wickedly evil people wrote:they just move around, if all there is to being good at 'game play' is to act like Unibot, well then a good cleansing would be in order.


Thanks, I didn't have solid proof of the off-the-cuff "threatened to coup" remark.

Coup what?
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Postby Kyrkberg » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:04 pm

Consular wrote:
Onderkelkia wrote:My understanding is that Cassius Cerebella was a member of TWP well before he became a member of the United Imperial Armed Forces.

Certainly, for the much of his period as Commander of TWP Armed Forces (including while he was in UIAF after Albion joined) neither NES nor I had actually ever spoken to him once. His position in TWP as military commander was arguably higher-ranking than his position in Albion and certainly for the UIAF.

To suggest that Cassius Cerebella was in TWP as some sort of 'local front' for the UIAF is nothing short of defamatory against both him and the UIAF.

I was not even going to bother responding. Baseless slander is pretty much all I expect from this paper.

Regarding TWP, the rest of the world can keep their false 'democracies'. We will adapt along our own path, as we always have.

Not everyone in the forum democracies decries TWP's system or condemns it. Could you not blanket condemn us or our system please?

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:53 pm

Let's just correct some facts about the early history of TWP, something Unibot knows nothing about. I know a little bit more as I was there and if get some of the facts wrong Eli will correct me - he was there too.

Post Norion there was the First Constitution: a lot of it was written or influenced by a nation called Freedom and Pride. Guy had a talent for legislation, but had zero social process skills. Basically the Delegate couldn't go to the toilet without permission from the off-site government. Looking back I think this was F&P's way of running the Delegacy by proxy - there was no chance of him ever becoming elected Delegate, mainly because he was intensely disliked by the majority of TWP members.

The Dominion came next - Neenee seized the Delegacy, supported by Biyah and Zeta One. The Dominion lasted about a week before Neenee resigned and Berm took back the Delgacy. He instituted a Council of Reconciliation (of which I was a member) to try and find the root cause of the coup and look for ways to re-unite the region. Biyah basically plea bargained Neenee and Zeta out of trial, saying he alone was behind the coup. He then stood trial, more than ably defended by Enegro Montoya, who got him off. Used TWP's laws and constitution to clear him.

The result was a constitutional crisis - the formation of the second constitution was in reality a battle between those who wanted total off-site control of the Delegacy (F&P and a few others) and those who wanted the role to have more freedom. The result was a stalemate, broken by the appearance of the Triumvirate - Eli, TAO and Biyah. Eli ejected quite a few high endo nations from TWP (including myself) and brought in Vlagh (Ivan Moldavi) and Unistrut to form a new government. Their involvement caused Biyah to join the Government in Exile under Shasoria. We then had about 9 months of negotiation to reunite the region. The Third Constitution gave the Delegate independence from the off-site government and that has been pretty much the case ever since.

So there you are - a potted history of the early days of TWP. It may not be 100% correct, but it is more right than anything Unibot will write.

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Postby United RussoAsia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:23 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Wickedly evil people wrote:they just move around, if all there is to being good at 'game play' is to act like Unibot, well then a good cleansing would be in order.


Thanks, I didn't have solid proof of the off-the-cuff "threatened to coup" remark.

You don't seem to have solid proof of much of anything.
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