I'm pretty sick of putting down misogynists but here we are.
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by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:55 pm
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
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by The Lotophagi » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:56 pm
by Constantinopolis » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:56 pm
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:I just find it funny that you believe that I'd get paid the same when over half my income comes from stock options, not my salary.
by Carpathia and Moldova » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:58 pm
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Do you see gender roles in all other mammals? Yes. Are there rich elites in all other mammals? Probably not.
by Imyoji » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:59 pm
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Do you see gender roles in all other mammals? Yes. Are there rich elites in all other mammals? Probably not.
The very thing which allowed humanity to become the dominant life form on this planet, is its ability to adapt, on both an individual level, as well as on the level of the entire community. The fact is, we've outgrown these social conventions a long time ago. There is no reason why a woman can't perform as well as a man, in any job. There is no reason why a man couldn't be as good at raising children, as a woman.
Someone said in an earlier post, that a major issue with feminism, is that women win most custody cases and men are more easily convicted of rape. The fact is, these issues are not caused by feminism, but by discrimination against women. Women win custody cases more easily, because the general convention is that women are better at raising children. Men are more easily convicted of rape, because women are considered weak and it is considered highly improbable that a woman could overpower and sexually abuse a man.
by Albul » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:00 pm
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by The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:01 pm
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by Constantinopolis » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:01 pm
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Do you see gender roles in all other mammals? Yes.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:02 pm
Albul wrote:The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Do you see gender roles in all other mammals? Yes. Are there rich elites in all other mammals? Probably not.
Here is the thing... Other mammals also live in social groups. Whether it was an evolutionary phenomenon or not, it does not matter. We have reached a point in society in which human gender roles serve as societal ills. Why, other than sexual discrimination, do the Chinese murder female infants? Why do some African tribes mutilate female genitals? Why must Muslim women cover their face upon reaching puberty? Why are women paid less? Why other than social (not evolutionary) reasons must women face these troubles?
No other species of animal has to deal with sexually discriminate infanticide, genital mutilation, wages, and repressive clothing.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Alyakia » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:02 pm
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:The fact is (and I recommend you take this very seriously), gender discrimination goes both ways. Yes, women are generally paid less. Yes, women are generally seen as being weaker. Yes, women are being treated with less respect. What you do not realize is that the discrimination of women is equally damaging to the male gender. How so? Because of the rigid social conventions on "gender roles" which we are all forced to abide by. While women are expected to "stay in the kitchen", men are required to be insensitive and unfaithful. In modern society, a man who displays affection, respect and loyalty to a woman, is considered a "pussy" and rejected as weak (and usually end up on the losing end). These gender conventions demand that men assert their dominance in a relationship and act the way we often do. In other words, we're just as conditioned and restricted by these conventions, as you are.
by Carpathia and Moldova » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:03 pm
Imyoji wrote:Carpathia and Moldova wrote:
The very thing which allowed humanity to become the dominant life form on this planet, is its ability to adapt, on both an individual level, as well as on the level of the entire community. The fact is, we've outgrown these social conventions a long time ago. There is no reason why a woman can't perform as well as a man, in any job. There is no reason why a man couldn't be as good at raising children, as a woman.
Someone said in an earlier post, that a major issue with feminism, is that women win most custody cases and men are more easily convicted of rape. The fact is, these issues are not caused by feminism, but by discrimination against women. Women win custody cases more easily, because the general convention is that women are better at raising children. Men are more easily convicted of rape, because women are considered weak and it is considered highly improbable that a woman could overpower and sexually abuse a man.
Except, you know, feminism IS against that.
by Constantinopolis » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:03 pm
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:The very thing which allowed humanity to become the dominant life form on this planet, is its ability to adapt, on both an individual level, as well as on the level of the entire community. The fact is, we've outgrown these social conventions a long time ago. There is no reason why a woman can't perform as well as a man, in any job. There is no reason why a man couldn't be as good at raising children, as a woman.
Someone said in an earlier post, that a major issue with feminism, is that women win most custody cases and men are more easily convicted of rape. The fact is, these issues are not caused by feminism, but by discrimination against women. Women win custody cases more easily, because the general convention is that women are better at raising children. Men are more easily convicted of rape, because women are considered weak and it is considered highly improbable that a woman could overpower and sexually abuse a man.
by Albul » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:05 pm
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Do you see gender roles in all other mammals? Yes. Are there rich elites in all other mammals? Probably not.
The very thing which allowed humanity to become the dominant life form on this planet, is its ability to adapt, on both an individual level, as well as on the level of the entire community. The fact is, we've outgrown these social conventions a long time ago. There is no reason why a woman can't perform as well as a man, in any job. There is no reason why a man couldn't be as good at raising children, as a woman.
Someone said in an earlier post, that a major issue with feminism, is that women win most custody cases and men are more easily convicted of rape. The fact is, these issues are not caused by feminism, but by discrimination against women. Women win custody cases more easily, because the general convention is that women are better at raising children. Men are more easily convicted of rape, because women are considered weak and it is considered highly improbable that a woman could overpower and sexually abuse a man.
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by The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:07 pm
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire / "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it!" - Adolf Hitler
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by Warpspace » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:07 pm
by Tubbsalot » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:10 pm
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Susurruses wrote:
Dude, if you think there are only 'men' and 'women' then you need to seriously examine what you've been taught about sex (hint: it's more diverse than a simplistic binary; it's a spectrum) and gender (hint: it is also incredibly diverse and varies culturally).
Gender roles are a sociocultural phenomenon; it is absolutely possible and viable to break them down and not force people into boxes without the ensuing collapse of society and sexual relationships.
1. That's horseshit and you know it, sex does come in a simple binary, there's no spectrum, and there's no mayonnaise gender.
2. If gender roles are human social constructs, why does
every
single
mammal species
exhibit
gender roles?
Certainly not because they're biological
by Albul » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:11 pm
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Albul wrote:Here is the thing... Other mammals also live in social groups. Whether it was an evolutionary phenomenon or not, it does not matter. We have reached a point in society in which human gender roles serve as societal ills. Why, other than sexual discrimination, do the Chinese murder female infants? Why do some African tribes mutilate female genitals? Why must Muslim women cover their face upon reaching puberty? Why are women paid less? Why other than social (not evolutionary) reasons must women face these troubles?
No other species of animal has to deal with sexually discriminate infanticide, genital mutilation, wages, and repressive clothing.
We don't have to cover our faces based on anything Islamic, ps, and there are very few places where we have to cover our faces by law. Just clarifying that.
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by The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:12 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:1. That's horseshit and you know it, sex does come in a simple binary, there's no spectrum, and there's no mayonnaise gender.
2. If gender roles are human social constructs, why does
every
single
mammal species
exhibit
gender roles?
Certainly not because they're biological
When people talk about "gender roles," they aren't referring to the fact that women get pregnant and men don't. Yes, obviously one biological function of the human female - from an evolutionary point of view - is to carry the child to term. But the idea that women should stay at home and do the cleaning is a gender role which has no biological basis. More to the point, the idea that women should be getting pregnant and having babies, or else be excluded from society, has no biological basis - any more than saying "men should have big muscles and lift heavy things, and if they don't, they should be shunned."
Nobody is denying the existence of sexual dimorphism. What they're saying is that these differences cannot justify forcing people to behave in a way which is viewed as "intended" for their sex.
And of course we're now multiple pages away from the post I was replying to, because every thread about feminism has to be immediately vomited over by a dozen people at 30 posts per minute, ad nauseam, until the thread is finally, mercifully locked by a moderator who has grown concerned over the mental state of the participants.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire / "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it!" - Adolf Hitler
Resident Social Darwinist
by Keyboard Warriors » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:12 pm
by Albul » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:13 pm
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:When people talk about "gender roles," they aren't referring to the fact that women get pregnant and men don't. Yes, obviously one biological function of the human female - from an evolutionary point of view - is to carry the child to term. But the idea that women should stay at home and do the cleaning is a gender role which has no biological basis. More to the point, the idea that women should be getting pregnant and having babies, or else be excluded from society, has no biological basis - any more than saying "men should have big muscles and lift heavy things, and if they don't, they should be shunned."
Nobody is denying the existence of sexual dimorphism. What they're saying is that these differences cannot justify forcing people to behave in a way which is viewed as "intended" for their sex.
And of course we're now multiple pages away from the post I was replying to, because every thread about feminism has to be immediately vomited over by a dozen people at 30 posts per minute, ad nauseam, until the thread is finally, mercifully locked by a moderator who has grown concerned over the mental state of the participants.
Well, nobody exactly is doing any forcing of anything gender related here in the land of the free, so what exactly is your point?
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by Carpathia and Moldova » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:14 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Man, I keep telling you, you're actually agreeing with the arguments made by serious feminists. This is exactly what they say.
by The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:14 pm
Warpspace wrote:The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:why do I even bother
go get yourself a degree in biology and then tell me race is a social construct, alright?
The fuck?
There is no "race", and race certainly isn't the result of biology. The various "races" have stupidly minimal amount of difference to even be labeled a sub-species. They're simply minimal differences resulting from-
1) Slight changes for better adaption to their native environments, typically sunlight levels or diet.
2) "Killing off" other Hominids such as Neandertals (ACTUAL different species with such little genetic difference between us that we could still breed) with mass interbreeding of populations until H. Sapiens assimilated Neandertals into our own.
3) Cultural preference affecting appearance. This is part of the reason why those humans who split for Asia have a somewhat neonatal appearance compared to other humans.
However, note that the differences between the "races" are stupidly small and almost entirely related to appearance and flesh coloration to adapt to the local sunlight levels. Hell, Neandertals differed from humans genetically by a meager .12%. As for any bullshit claims of stupidity associated with any "race" (which are typically made by racist people to begin with) often fail to realize the socioeconomic position of people.
So of fucking course immigrants from another nation forced to live in slums thanks to a very poor income are going to look "dumb" because they grew up poor, lived in a poor area, and got a poor job, meaning their education was also shockingly poor. But race as well is fairly bullshit, as it's nothing more then a classification of appearance that often fails to even realize the diversity of blanket "races" like "blacks", "asians", or "whites".
/rant
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire / "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it!" - Adolf Hitler
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by The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:15 pm
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire / "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it!" - Adolf Hitler
Resident Social Darwinist
by Tubbsalot » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:16 pm
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:When people talk about "gender roles," they aren't referring to the fact that women get pregnant and men don't. Yes, obviously one biological function of the human female - from an evolutionary point of view - is to carry the child to term. But the idea that women should stay at home and do the cleaning is a gender role which has no biological basis. More to the point, the idea that women should be getting pregnant and having babies, or else be excluded from society, has no biological basis - any more than saying "men should have big muscles and lift heavy things, and if they don't, they should be shunned."
Nobody is denying the existence of sexual dimorphism. What they're saying is that these differences cannot justify forcing people to behave in a way which is viewed as "intended" for their sex.
Well, nobody exactly is doing any forcing of anything gender related here in the land of the free, so what exactly is your point?
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