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by Albul » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:24 pm
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by Heraklea- » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:42 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism
4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible
5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally
6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
7) We uphold Separation of Church and State, both Freedom of and Freedom From Religion. The Government is not a place for religious dogma, and religious liberty should be protected equally for all belief or lack of belief.
8 ) We fight for equality for all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. We support LGBT+ Rights, Feminism and all forms of gender egalitarianism.
9) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms.
by Kincoboh » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:17 pm
Heraklea- wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
I don't think we should necessarily renounce violent revolution, as this may be the only way to create change in countries where the democratic rule of law does not exist. How about instead: "We seek through democratic reforms to carryout the social and economic revolution necessary to create an egalitarian nation."2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
That still feels like expressly supporting syndicalist style socialism over statist. I recommend as a substitute: "We strive to remove profit motives and encourage worker cooperation vice vicious competition to ensure a just and humane economy."3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism
Like it.4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible
Like it.5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally
As others have said, substituting "fair trade" for "free trade" would be a better statement.6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
Eloquently put. Whoever wrote this is a genius.7) We uphold Separation of Church and State, both Freedom of and Freedom From Religion. The Government is not a place for religious dogma, and religious liberty should be protected equally for all belief or lack of belief.
Like it.8 ) We fight for equality for all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. We support LGBT+ Rights, Feminism and all forms of gender egalitarianism.
Like it.9) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms.
Like it.
by Heraklea- » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:28 pm
Kincoboh wrote:Your roll eye thing is confusing me. Are you being facetious for 6?
by Heraklea- » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:57 pm
Kincoboh wrote:Oh... why? Do you not agree with it?
by Chestaan » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:11 am
by Osea 767 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:22 am
by The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:16 am
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by The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:17 am
Osea 767 wrote:Yes, they were. Hopefully, this group will do well as a successor to the old socialist parties.
Edit: Also, NST, we really need to improve our relations with the other left wing parties. It would be bad if we were to become isolated at such an early point.
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Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:22 am
Heraklea- wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
I don't think we should necessarily renounce violent revolution, as this may be the only way to create change in countries where the democratic rule of law does not exist. How about instead: "We seek through democratic reforms to carryout the social and economic revolution necessary to create an egalitarian nation."2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
That still feels like expressly supporting syndicalist style socialism over statist. I recommend as a substitute: "We strive to remove profit motives and encourage worker cooperation vice vicious competition to ensure a just and humane economy."
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Glasgia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:32 am
The New Sea Territory wrote:Osea 767 wrote:Yes, they were. Hopefully, this group will do well as a successor to the old socialist parties.
Edit: Also, NST, we really need to improve our relations with the other left wing parties. It would be bad if we were to become isolated at such an early point.
Yes. Should we work for a coalition or just try to cooperate?
The New Sea Territory wrote:Glasgia wrote:
I'd remove points seven and eight, as they're covered to some extent by nine - Though perhaps we could make that wider to ensure they're taken properly into account.
I though the whole ensuring advantages part implied we only supported "fair" trade - ie. trade that benefits the workers.
We wanted them specifically mentioned, to make a strong stance on those issues. How about this:
"We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms, and stand for equal liberty for all individuals, including Freedom of and from Religion, LGBT+ Rights and Gender Equality"
As for the free trade...Yeah, that makes sense too. I really like either wording, I don't think it's bad either way.
Heraklea- wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
I don't think we should necessarily renounce violent revolution, as this may be the only way to create change in countries where the democratic rule of law does not exist. How about instead: "We seek through democratic reforms to carryout the social and economic revolution necessary to create an egalitarian nation."
The New Sea Territory wrote:2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
by Bojikami » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:35 am
by The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:48 am
1) We strongly support democratic reforms to carry out social and economic revolution to create an egalitarian nation.
2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious capitalistic competition, to allow workers to have a say in a fair, humane and democratically managed economy.
3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism.
4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible.
5) We support global co-operation and both free and fair trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally.
6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
7) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms, and stand for equal liberty for all individuals, including Freedom of and from Religion, LGBT+ Rights and Gender Equality.
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:48 am
Bojikami wrote:I'm afraid I should withdraw from this party, as I believe I will be starting my own.
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Glasgia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:49 am
Bojikami wrote:I'm afraid I should withdraw from this party, as I believe I will be starting my own.
by Glasgia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:50 am
by The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:54 am
Glasgia wrote:Just to help get a general idea of opinions on possible coalitions, or at least co-operation, what are people's opinions on working with:
- Democratic Left?
- Liberal Democrats?
- Christian Justice Party?
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Glasgia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:57 am
The New Sea Territory wrote:Glasgia wrote:Just to help get a general idea of opinions on possible coalitions, or at least co-operation, what are people's opinions on working with:
- Democratic Left?
- Liberal Democrats?
- Christian Justice Party?
CJP is progressive, right? I'd support working with the DemLeft.
by The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:59 am
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Kincoboh » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:02 am
Glasgia wrote:Just to help get a general idea of opinions on possible coalitions, or at least co-operation, what are people's opinions on working with:
- Democratic Left?
- Liberal Democrats?
- Christian Justice Party?
by Glasgia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:02 am
The New Sea Territory wrote:Glasgia wrote:
CJP is kinda a progressive centrist party, though obviously they still appear to hold some religious values.
I think they would side more with the LibDems then.
That would make it WA/DemLeft vs. LibDem/CJP vs. CivDems/Monarchists. Would we invite Boji's party to our coalition?
by Kincoboh » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:06 am
The New Sea Territory wrote:Glasgia wrote:
CJP is kinda a progressive centrist party, though obviously they still appear to hold some religious values.
I think they would side more with the LibDems then.
That would make it WA/DemLeft vs. LibDem/CJP vs. CivDems/Monarchists. Would we invite Boji's party to our coalition?
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