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What if: USSR won cold war, your life.

Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:58 am

This is just an alternative timeline idea, it's just some fun what if the USSR won the cold war? In the POD, Reagan's policies hinder the USA and leads to an economic collapse of the US. California, Hawaii, the CSA and Texas succeed from the US, North Korea unites with South Korea, East Germany unites with West Germany. The only capitalist bastions left in the world is in Great Britain, Afghanistan, India, Japan and Ireland. Japan and Great Britain have severe embargoes put against them.

What would your life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
I would already graduated from University and I would be a secondary school teacher, teaching kids Marxist-Leninism.
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Postby Mefpan » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:08 am

What would you life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
I suspect I would have been disappeared by the Stasi Secret Service of the Greater Eurasafrican Socialist Union before I turned 16 because I like to listen to WW2 era military marches - and not just the Soviet ones, if you catch my drift.

Or I wouldn't have been born in the first place. But that's me being optimistic.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:09 am

Socialist Tera wrote:This is just an alternative timeline idea, it's just some fun what if the USSR won the cold war? In the POD, Reagan's policies hinder the USA and leads to an economic collapse of the US. California, Hawaii, the CSA and Texas succeed from the US, North Korea unites with South Korea, East Germany unites with West Germany. The only capitalist bastions left in the world is in Great Britain, Afghanistan, India, Japan and Ireland. Japan and Great Britain have severe embargoes put against them.

What would you life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
I would already graduated from University and I would be a secondary school teacher, teaching kids Marxist-Leninism.

What if Mussolini went to London during WWII and personally machine-gunned the Houses of Parliament, then proclaimed himself Viceroy of Ontario and invaded Alaska?

Because honestly, that's more realistic than your nonsensical alternative timeline.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:10 am

What would you life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
I probably wouldn't have been born but in the event that I did live I'd probably be another one of the many indoctrinated to mindlessly follow the state's way.
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Postby Trevor Phillip Enterprises » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:11 am

Ainin wrote:What if Mussolini went to London during WWII and personally machine-gunned the Houses of Parliament, then proclaimed himself Viceroy of Ontario and invaded Alaska?

Because honestly, that's more realistic than your nonsensical alternative timeline.


:rofl: Can we make a thread for that?
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Postby Alexzanabbgggggg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:12 am

Socialist Tera wrote:This is just an alternative timeline idea, it's just some fun what if the USSR won the cold war? In the POD, Reagan's policies hinder the USA and leads to an economic collapse of the US. California, Hawaii, the CSA and Texas succeed from the US, North Korea unites with South Korea, East Germany unites with West Germany. The only capitalist bastions left in the world is in Great Britain, Afghanistan, India, Japan and Ireland. Japan and Great Britain have severe embargoes put against them.

What would you life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
I would already graduated from University and I would be a secondary school teacher, teaching kids Marxist-Leninism.


In you time-line, I would defect to communist France from the UK.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:13 am

Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:
Ainin wrote:What if Mussolini went to London during WWII and personally machine-gunned the Houses of Parliament, then proclaimed himself Viceroy of Ontario and invaded Alaska?

Because honestly, that's more realistic than your nonsensical alternative timeline.


:rofl: Can we make a thread for that?

Go ahead.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:14 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:What would you life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
I probably wouldn't have been born but in the event that I did live I'd probably be another one of the many indoctrinated to mindlessly follow the state's way.

I don't know whether I'd be in the UK or Spain in this alternate history so I can't say for sure.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:14 am

I'd probably join a rebellion or something.

Nah, I don't have the testicles for that. Assuming I was ever born, I'd probably be another indoctrinated Soviet slave. Or be taken away by the secret police before reaching adulthood for complaining about the shitty wait time at the one restaurant chain.
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Postby Brillnuck » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:15 am

What would you life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
Most likely in politics, but would be heavily watched for supporting Gorbachev-style policies.
Or in the army.

Maybe becoming a university teacher and teaching engineering.
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Postby Zorbae » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:16 am

I really don't see a huge change in how my life would play out. My ancestry relates to those countries in the very west of Europe, far away from the USSR, and said countries have never been fond of communism, so I don't envision a takeover, or anything drastic.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:16 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:I'd probably join a rebellion or something.

Nah, I don't have the testicles for that. Assuming I was ever born, I'd probably be another indoctrinated Soviet slave. Or be taken away by the secret police before reaching adulthood for complaining about the shitty wait time at the one restaurant chain.

Even if you had the guts to do you probably wouldn't do it since you would have no exposure to alternate economical, philosophical and political systems; you would be indoctrinated by the state practically from birth to follow the state's ideology.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:17 am

OP, has the USSR been liberalised in this alternate history? Have Gorbachev's reforms been implemented?

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:19 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:I'd probably join a rebellion or something.

Nah, I don't have the testicles for that. Assuming I was ever born, I'd probably be another indoctrinated Soviet slave. Or be taken away by the secret police before reaching adulthood for complaining about the shitty wait time at the one restaurant chain.

Even if you had the guts to do you probably wouldn't do it since you would have no exposure to alternate economical, philosophical and political systems; you would be indoctrinated by the state practically from birth to follow the state's ideology.

It probably wouldn't be a capitalistic revolt.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:20 am

I'd likely support stuff more than I do now, given my parents' Trotskyism and how it would cause an all around improvement to Brazil, with its problems duly blamed on foreign capitalist intervention and interests.

That said, I'd likely be an anarchist, and would advocate for revolution of causes perceived as left-wing that still wouldn't be around.

So to me I'd still be "fighting capitalism" within my limits.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:20 am

Ainin wrote:What if Mussolini went to London during WWII and personally machine-gunned the Houses of Parliament, then proclaimed himself Viceroy of Ontario and invaded Alaska?


The moon race would be won by rocket ships shaped like Mussolini's head?

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Postby Bulgar Rouge » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:20 am

I'd be a State Security agent or a senior Party member.

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Postby Schwabenreich » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:20 am

Socialist Tera wrote:This is just an alternative timeline idea, it's just some fun what if the USSR won the cold war?


Not sure how that was going to happen.

Socialist Tera wrote:In the POD, Reagan's policies hinder the USA and leads to an economic collapse of the US.


So, not at the alternative history yet.

Socialist Tera wrote:California, Hawaii, the CSA and Texas succeed from the US, North Korea unites with South Korea, East Germany unites with West Germany.


Not sure why those states secede but none of this is consequential to me yet. Just because money gets tight, they never have before.

Socialist Tera wrote:The only capitalist bastions left in the world is in Great Britain, Afghanistan, India, Japan and Ireland. Japan and Great Britain have severe embargoes put against them.


Wait, Great Britain is still around? And what about all the other countries, the rest of europe fell somehow? Africa got overrun? How is the soviet union keeping other communist governments from falling, even if it outlasts USA and unifies Germany, all it can do is send revolutionaries and governments in South America money right?

What would you life be like in post cold war if USSR won?

Same as it is now really as none of this impacts Australia.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:23 am

Schwabenreich wrote:Wait, Great Britain is still around? And what about all the other countries, the rest of europe fell somehow? Africa got overrun? How is the soviet union keeping other communist governments from falling, even if it outlasts USA and unifies Germany, all it can do is send revolutionaries and governments in South America money right?

Thinking of it again, my country would likely be in civil war.
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Postby Auroya » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:24 am

I might still be living in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic. Or I might have moved to the likes of the German Democratic Republic or Communist France.

Eventually I might end up as a computer scientist (because that's what I'm studying) rejoicing at the launch of the first module of Mir 2.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:24 am

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Sebastianbourg wrote:Even if you had the guts to do you probably wouldn't do it since you would have no exposure to alternate economical, philosophical and political systems; you would be indoctrinated by the state practically from birth to follow the state's ideology.

It probably wouldn't be a capitalistic revolt.

I'm not speaking of capitalism exclusively; anything other than the government's particular brand of socialism (not communism because the state would still exist) would probably be banned.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:26 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Schwabenreich wrote:Wait, Great Britain is still around? And what about all the other countries, the rest of europe fell somehow? Africa got overrun? How is the soviet union keeping other communist governments from falling, even if it outlasts USA and unifies Germany, all it can do is send revolutionaries and governments in South America money right?

Thinking of it again, my country would likely be in civil war.

The whole world would probably be at war due to such an abrupt change on a world-wide scale. It's not like everyone in the world would suddenly accept the régime.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:26 am

I don't see the USSR annexing the US if the US lost the cold war from an economic collapse. I don't think many states would secede and any that do, I'm sure the US could eventually re-annex. The worst case scenario that I see, is the US simply returning to isolationism like it had in the 1930's and I anticipate that the US would be able to recover its economic prowess at a faster rate than Russia could during the 1990's but might be reduced to a regional power. This future doesn't actually seem so bad.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:26 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:It probably wouldn't be a capitalistic revolt.

I'm not speaking of capitalism exclusively; anything other than the government's particular brand of socialism (not communism because the state would still exist) would probably be banned.

Well, I'd inherit ideology from my parents.

Most people, though, would likely be indeed a little lost.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:26 am

I'm actually not sure what I would've done, assuming I'd even been born, due to all kinds of factors changing. Not even sure I'd be me (unless my parents were having sex at the exact same time I was conceived in this timeline).

In the best case scenario, meaning all the other alternatives suck, and this one only slightly less so, possibly been a right-wing counterrevolutionary.

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