Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Geilinor]

That was in no way directed at the events in Georgia, so again you go off on something completely unrelated to what was being discussed, good job.

America has invaded two nations since 2000, and shocker most of us oppose it! Also, not every Russian is scared of the West like you are. I've met a number of Russian's who dislike Putin and are pro-US, I think we even have some on NSG.

I'm not scared of the West. I pity it.

Do you know whom I pity? Putin. All his actions show how desperate he is to make Russia as powerful as the Soviet Union was.

[Yorkopolis]

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Nowhere, my friend, did I call for the destruction of the Russian state. I call for the destruction of the Putin government and its replacement with a democratic government, and I'm totally okay with a Russian state. That is...one located solely in the Moscow Oblast and with all the other oblasts and republics being independent states and self-ruling confederations not in the slightest related to eachother in government or economy. If they do good, I might even decide to include the Moscow city itself.

And that's why any sane Russian (i.e. not a "liberal") would consider you a Russophobe - for wanting to overthrov Russian government (that said people support) and replacing it with some "democratic government" (drawn from whom? You know nothing about the Russian poliical scene) AND severely de-centralizing the whole state. If you would tell this stuff to ordinary Russians, here, in Russia, you, probably, would be beaten. Mind you - I wouldn't be the one who threw the first punch - there will be enough people more angrier than me.

The joke's on you my friend. Did you even see it?

Also, my dear, dear friend, I must seriously ask you, why the overusage of the word "liberal"? That word has no meaning. It is a meaningless attack now, in an attempt to actually criticise me by saying a word that you perceive as dirty. Well bro, I'm sorry, but if you're trying to insult me here, you've just failed big time.

[Lyttenburg]

The fact that Putin is forcing a rift between Russia and the West, will cause irreversible changes to the Geopolitical landscape of the world. It has nothing to do with the inner politics. It has everything to do with the World politics, but I don't genuinely expect you to realize that.

Nothing irreversible. Human greed would make sue of that. This alarmism was also present in 2008, and?

[Germanic Templars]

Did ISIS overrun Syria?

They control something like a third of Syria.

And let's include the rebels in Syria as well. The same people Syrian government been fighting since 2011. All in all from this, we learn that Putin doesn't care about his allies unless they help him gain land for his "Evil Empire ^tm".

[Arglorand]

That was in no way directed at the events in Georgia, so again you go off on something completely unrelated to what was being discussed, good job.

America has invaded two nations since 2000, and shocker most of us oppose it! Also, not every Russian is scared of the West like you are. I've met a number of Russian's who dislike Putin and are pro-US, I think we even have some on NSG.

I'm not scared of the West. I pity it.

Typical response of the socially inhibited sovok whenever faced with their own inane paranoias.

[United Marxist Nations]

In what way is it foreign? What, are Ukrainians not allowed to be pro-Soviet, because in that case, lots of Ukrainians need to be kicked out:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166538/forme ... eakup.aspx

That is unfortunately a result of long year pro-Russian Soviet totalitarian rule. Once the Eastern Ukrainians adapt the democratic political culture the adorance for the Russian Soviet rule will be gone. In that way the CPU is a remnant of foreign rule.

It is like having a British unionist party in the Republic of Ireland. Since the CPU is nit a friend of democracy it gives more reasons to bann it.

And what if the people reject liberal bourgeois democracy? Should they just be forced to vote for it anyway ?

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm not scared of the West. I pity it.

Do you know whom I pity? Putin. All his actions show how desperate he is to make Russia as powerful as the Soviet Union was.

A think a lot of Russians (and former Soviets in general) wish the USSR was still around.

[Constantinopolis]

They are not a Russian nationalist organisation, and even if they were, it is extremely undemocratic to suppress the nationalist organisations of a minority ethnic group (such as the Russians in Ukraine). As I said before, in a real democracy, parties don't get banned even when they openly advocate separatism (whichthe CPU does not actually advocate).

You logical fallacy. Nobody has a problem with the ideology it is just that since the CPU wants to participate according to democratic rules they should stop supporting the rebel.

They are not supporting the rebels. They have repeatedly stated that they support the territorial integrity of Ukraine under internationally-recognized borders. The only concession they advocate for the rebels is to grant regional autonomy to those parts of Ukraine that want it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They control something like a third of Syria.

And let's include the rebels in Syria as well. The same people Syrian government been fighting since 2011. All in all from this, we learn that Putin doesn't care about his allies unless they help him gain land for his "Evil Empire^tm".

it's funny, North Korea has done more to help Syria than Russia So much for them being a strong Russian ally.

[Lyttenburg]

They control something like a third of Syria.

And did the RF signed any agreemnet with Syria about providing any actual military help in their struggle with terrorists?

[The balkens]

And let's include the rebels in Syria as well. The same people Syrian government been fighting since 2011. All in all from this, we learn that Putin doesn't care about his allies unless they help him gain land for his "Evil Empire^tm".

it's funny, North Korea has done more to help Syria than Russia So much for them being a strong Russian ally.

does Syria have a large Russian speaking population? no?

figures, Russia only looks out for itself in matters like these.

[Arglorand]

it's funny, North Korea has done more to help Syria than Russia So much for them being a strong Russian ally.

does Syria have a large Russian speaking population? no?

figures, Russia only looks out for itself in matters like these.

No, see, if it did, then it would have already become the Assyristan Oblast.

[Lyttenburg]

Yes, because our trillions of dollars of wealth, civil rights and all that evil fascist stuff needs pitying. Give it a break, you just have a phobia of anything western.

There are things more important than trillions of dollars (that can became worthless) and civil rights (without some of which I can live with). And the fact that you don't understand that is one of the reasons for pity.

[The balkens]

does Syria have a large Russian speaking population? no?

figures, Russia only looks out for itself in matters like these.

No, see, if it did, then it would have already become the Assyristan Oblast.

quite.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, because our trillions of dollars of wealth, civil rights and all that evil fascist stuff needs pitying. Give it a break, you just have a phobia of anything western.

There are things more important than trillions of dollars (that can became worthless) and civil rights (without some of which I can live with). And the fact that you don't understand that is one of the reasons for pity.

Oh really? Like what exactly?

[Geilinor]

Yes, because our trillions of dollars of wealth, civil rights and all that evil fascist stuff needs pitying. Give it a break, you just have a phobia of anything western.

There are things more important than trillions of dollars (that can became worthless) and civil rights (without some of which I can live with). And the fact that you don't understand that is one of the reasons for pity.

What is it that we don't understand?

[Arglorand]

There are things more important than trillions of dollars (that can became worthless) and civil rights (without some of which I can live with). And the fact that you don't understand that is one of the reasons for pity.

Oh really? Like what exactly?

He is immensely threatened by the implication that his child might be gay and marry a Jewish Ukrainian.

Or, as they call them in the Mighty Motherland of Mordor, "khokhol".

[The balkens]

Oh really? Like what exactly?

He is immensely threatened by the implication that his child might be gay and marry a Jewish Ukrainian.

oh the horror.

[Yorkopolis]

That was in no way directed at the events in Georgia, so again you go off on something completely unrelated to what was being discussed, good job.

America has invaded two nations since 2000, and shocker most of us oppose it! Also, not every Russian is scared of the West like you are. I've met a number of Russian's who dislike Putin and are pro-US, I think we even have some on NSG.

I'm not scared of the West. I pity it.

I pity those whose political will to actually change something in Russia, is squished by their grandparents saying "don't do it, you can't change it anyway". I pity those who actually live under Russian rule. I pity those, who support Putin. And I pity, most of all, you. Your words, my dear friend, mean nothing to me. They're hollow cries from a person who has been taught only to speak in propagandistic verses and prose, fed to you by the Russian Media in overdose. Sir, I pity you, and thy kind. Let us just hope the future, will mean a brighter day for Russia and the world. So to say, a rewind.

[Arglorand]

He is immensely threatened by the implication that his child might be gay and marry a Jewish Ukrainian.

oh the horror.

Imagine, Lyttenburg's son one day going to his partner and saying, "Let's do it Bandera style tonight."

[The balkens]

oh the horror.

Imagine, Lyttenburg's son one day going to his partner and saying, "Let's do it Bandera style tonight."

Eh, id be worried about my children not getting good grades, not about his sexuality.

[Arglorand]

Imagine, Lyttenburg's son one day going to his partner and saying, "Let's do it Bandera style tonight."

Eh, id be worried about my children not getting good grades, not about his sexuality.

I know. It was a joke.

[The balkens]

Eh, id be worried about my children not getting good grades, not about his sexuality.

I know. It was a joke.

i know.

[Constantinopolis]

Good luck and have fun on that road. Ourselves in Lithuania, we're going to behave in OH SO TYPICAL fascist ways, such as permit LGBT civil unions, build a working welfare state, and relax our immigration laws.

Wait... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Lithuania the same as most of Eastern Europe - a bastion of neoliberal capitalism and harsh austerity? I wasn't aware of any initiative by the Lithuanian government to go against that trend or build anything like a West European welfare state.

Of course, I could be wrong, since I don't follow economic developments in Lithuania. But I've always regarded the Baltic states as the most pro-market, pro-capitalist, anti-socialist countries in Europe. Is that impression mistaken?

[Slavonian kingdom]

And what if the people reject liberal bourgeois democracy? Should they just be forced to vote for it anyway ?

If the people reject liberal burgeois democracy than certanly it would not had to do with the current CPU as their primarly goal is to rebuild the USSR or any association with Russia. The CPU is primarly a party of Soviet nostalgics. Socialism cones for them after uniting Russia.

A whole different case would be if the CPU would say "Yeah, we want socialism but in our country without any foreign help from outside. We want to overthrown tge burgeois here in Ukraine and we dont need Putib for that".
Ask your self how does supporting the Russian rebels has anything to do with overthrowing the burgoise? I don't see a link between the two.