Why are you asking me about the IDF? Are you going to accuse me of war crimes against the Palestinians and using that experience against Russians?
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by Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:23 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:23 pm
Geilinor wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:They are not a Russian nationalist organisation, and even if they were, it is extremely undemocratic to suppress the nationalist organisations of a minority ethnic group (such as the Russians in Ukraine). As I said before, in a real democracy, parties don't get banned even when they openly advocate separatism (which the CPU does not actually advocate).
Nazi and neo-Nazi parties are banned in Germany. Does that make it "not a real democracy"?
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
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by Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:24 pm
Germanic Templars wrote:
He's killing his country by further isolating it. Restricting himself to only his eastern allies. Speaking of allies, why the hell has he refused to help Assad out? He was so eager in preventing US involvement back in 2011, but when ISIS began crawling over the country, he doesn't even turn an eye towards it. Hell he even did some work with North Korea.
Putin is showing his true colors, unfortunately it is not in favor of communists or Russians but rather in his own.
by Yorkopolis » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:24 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Germanic Templars wrote:Seriously, it seems to me Russophobia is the damn rallying cry for every pro Russian here.
I only brought it up because he was literally talking about the destruction of the Russian state. What else am I supposed to call that?Yorkopolis wrote:By claiming that I am a Russophobe, you (Constantinopolis) have effectively ran out of arguments and can now resort solely to accusations of Russophobia whenever your point is actually legitimately countered, just like all the other pro-Russia people do.
...says the guy who is offended at being accused of Russophobia after referring to Voronezh, Rostov, and Kuban as "the republic of Eastern Ukraine under temporary occupation by Russia".
Windows, about a minute ago wrote:Error 404: Humour Not Found, Directory C:\Program Files\Constantinopolis does not contain file called Humour.exe. Would you like to download it from the internet or search such a file on this device?
by Constantinopolis » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:25 pm
Geilinor wrote:Lyttenburg wrote:
I'm not surprised in the slightest that you a) Hate CPU and CPRF so much and b) is so well versed in all things fascist, given where are you from.
Ooh, ooh. Now the Russia-supporters accuse Lithuania of fascism. Is "fascism" the only thing you people can come up with?
by Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:25 pm
Lyttenburg wrote:Germanic Templars wrote:
He's killing his country by further isolating it. Restricting himself to only his eastern allies. Speaking of allies, why the hell has he refused to help Assad out? He was so eager in preventing US involvement back in 2011, but when ISIS began crawling over the country, he doesn't even turn an eye towards it. Hell he even did some work with North Korea.
Putin is showing his true colors, unfortunately it is not in favor of communists or Russians but rather in his own.
3) What kind of nonsense about Assad are you talking about?
by Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:25 pm
Estruia wrote:
You ARE aware that the actions of a Regional power do have adverse effects and consequences throughout the world as a whole, right?
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:26 pm
Lyttenburg wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:No, he's gone around invading other nations[2] and taking their territory while arming and prolonging a conflict that's costing lives. So I'll say what most every person here agrees with, fuck Putin.
2 in fact. Although, in case of Gerogia it was a counter-invasion and Russia gained no territory from that, but, due to your constant brainwashing by Western Media, I can understand why are you so easily confused and made beleive in the myth of Big Bad Vlad.
And how many countries did USA invade since 2000, which resulted in hom many deaths, hmm?
And I'll say what every person in Russia agrees with - fuck USA!
by Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:27 pm
Geilinor wrote:Why are you asking me about the IDF? Are you going to accuse me of war crimes against the Palestinians and using that experience against Russians?
by Slavonian kingdom » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:28 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:They are not a Russian nationalist organisation, and even if they were, it is extremely undemocratic to suppress the nationalist organisations of a minority ethnic group (such as the Russians in Ukraine). As I said before, in a real democracy, parties don't get banned even when they openly advocate separatism (whichthe CPU does not actually advocate).
by Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:28 pm
by Constantinopolis » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:29 pm
Geilinor wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:They are not a Russian nationalist organisation, and even if they were, it is extremely undemocratic to suppress the nationalist organisations of a minority ethnic group (such as the Russians in Ukraine). As I said before, in a real democracy, parties don't get banned even when they openly advocate separatism (which the CPU does not actually advocate).
Nazi and neo-Nazi parties are banned in Germany. Does that make it "not a real democracy"?
by Estruia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:30 pm
by Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:30 pm
by Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:32 pm
Yorkopolis wrote:[
Nowhere, my friend, did I call for the destruction of the Russian state. I call for the destruction of the Putin government and its replacement with a democratic government, and I'm totally okay with a Russian state. That is...one located solely in the Moscow Oblast and with all the other oblasts and republics being independent states and self-ruling confederations not in the slightest related to eachother in government or economy. If they do good, I might even decide to include the Moscow city itself.
by Arglorand » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:32 pm
by Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:32 pm
Geilinor wrote:If Putin cares so much about his "partners", why does he let ISIS overrun Syria?
by Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:33 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That was in no way directed at the events in Georgia, so again you go off on something completely unrelated to what was being discussed, good job.
America has invaded two nations since 2000, and shocker most of us oppose it! Also, not every Russian is scared of the West like you are. I've met a number of Russian's who dislike Putin and are pro-US, I think we even have some on NSG.
by Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:34 pm
Lyttenburg wrote:Yorkopolis wrote:Nowhere, my friend, did I call for the destruction of the Russian state. I call for the destruction of the Putin government and its replacement with a democratic government, and I'm totally okay with a Russian state. That is...one located solely in the Moscow Oblast and with all the other oblasts and republics being independent states and self-ruling confederations not in the slightest related to eachother in government or economy. If they do good, I might even decide to include the Moscow city itself.
And that's why any sane Russian (i.e. not a "liberal") would consider you a Russophobe - for wanting to overthrov Russian government (that said people support) and replacing it with some "democratic government" (drawn from whom? You know nothing about the Russian poliical scene) AND severely de-centralizing the whole state. If you would tell this stuff to ordinary Russians, here, in Russia, you, probably, would be beaten. Mind you - I wouldn't be the one who threw the first punch - there will be enough people more angrier than me.
by Slavonian kingdom » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:34 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Slavonian kingdom wrote:You know what I meant. I would support the CPU if they were a true Ukranian party and not a Russian nationalist organisation.
For the Jews. Please, it is you side that is pointing out how most oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine are of Jewish descendant. I heard even stories from pro-Russian where they accused Igor Kolomorsky, Poroshenko, Jatsenuk for being of jewish descendant as that is something bad.
In what way is it foreign? What, are Ukrainians not allowed to be pro-Soviet, because in that case, lots of Ukrainians need to be kicked out:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166538/forme ... eakup.aspx
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:34 pm
by Kouralia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:34 pm
Lyttenburg wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That was in no way directed at the events in Georgia, so again you go off on something completely unrelated to what was being discussed, good job.
America has invaded two nations since 2000, and shocker most of us oppose it! Also, not every Russian is scared of the West like you are. I've met a number of Russian's who dislike Putin and are pro-US, I think we even have some on NSG.
I'm not scared of the West. I pity it.
by Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:35 pm
Geilinor wrote:I'm just matching your aggression. Now tell me, what does the IDF have to do with this?
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:35 pm
Lyttenburg wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That was in no way directed at the events in Georgia, so again you go off on something completely unrelated to what was being discussed, good job.
America has invaded two nations since 2000, and shocker most of us oppose it! Also, not every Russian is scared of the West like you are. I've met a number of Russian's who dislike Putin and are pro-US, I think we even have some on NSG.
I'm not scared of the West. I pity it.
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