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Postby NSWC Signups » Sat May 23, 2009 2:01 pm

And lo, did Lord Max of Barry send forth his violet salsa prophets to proclaim a new land for the jolted sportsmen of the world. A place was made for them, even referencing the old Forum Seven joke. And there was much hilarity and rolling of dice, whilst sacrificing many chickens of rubber for the Margaret that knows all and annoys all, bringing luck to those who deserve it not, and tragedy to those who post not a roster.

And they did come forth in great numbers to come together and play and discuss and whine and roll dice about sport.

And the sport was Football. Or Soccer, as some heathen brothers called it.

And they did discuss it in an OOC fashion in this very spot, oh yey, with the OP of the thread being most excellent for leaving Ye Olde World Cup Committee's Constitutional Document, n'shit:

World Cup Committee wrote:Constitution of the World Cup Committee
This constitution replaces all previous World Cup Committee rules.

Overview
The World Cup Committee (WCC) is a body of nations to regulate and run the Nationstates World Cup (NSWC or WC) and its two associated tournaments, the Baptism of Fire (BoF) and Cup of Harmony (CoH), made up of nations involved in those tournaments. It is older than the World Assembly, but younger than the United Nations before it Ceased and Desisted.

1. Organisation
The World Cup Committee consists of: A President, a Vice-President and two types of members. 'Regular' WCC members, and 'Executive' members who form the Executive World Cup Committee (EWCC). It is, contrary to popular belief, run by a set of rules, which are detailed in this constitution.

1.1 The World Cup Committee
1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership of the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.1.2 Rights and Obligations
WCC members are allowed to:
i) Nominate and vote for a WCC President and Vice-President
ii) Vote on World Cup hosting bids.
iii) Propose and vote on changes to the WCC Constitution


1.2 The Executive World Cup Committee
1.2.1 Entry
Users of nations which have hosted a World Cup to its completion are admitted permanently to the EWCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.2.2 Rights and Obligations
EWCC members are allowed to, in addition to the rights of a WCC member:
i) Vote on Cup of Harmony hosting bids
ii) Vote on Baptism of Fire hosting bids.

1.2.3 Other (E)WCC Rules
i) The list of members of the EWCC and WCC must be publicly available.
ii) Should one person control multiple nations on the WCC or EWCC, those nations will have only one combined vote, and be considered as a user.
iiI) Should one person deceive people into believing that their nations participating in WCC-sanctioned events are controlled by separate people, all nations controlled by that person will be removed from the WCC and EWCC, and can only be reinstated by a vote of the EWCC.


1.3 The Presidency
The WCC President acts as a figurehead for the World Cup Committee, and is elected from a list of nominees nominated by the WCC. The President calls for and collects the votes (via telegram, instant message, smoke signal, carrier pigeon, etc) for World Cup Host, Cup of Harmony Host and WCC President votes, as well as begins and maintains the World Cup Signups thread. The President is usually a pillar of the World Cup community.

1.3.1 Appointment
i) Presidential terms shall last for three World Cups (eg 46-48, 49-51, 52-54, etc)
ii) Elections for the WCC President shall be held after every third World Cup, giving adequate preparation time for any hand-over to take place immediately upon completion (i.e. the World Cup and Cup of Harmony Finals) of the last Cup in the Presidential cycle.
ii) Any WCC user may nominate any one other user for the position and any user receiving more than two nominations will be considered a candidate.
iii) Any user can decline to receive nominations.
iv) If there is only one candidate for President, that candidate will become the President. Otherwise, the WCC will vote on which of the candidates should be the President immediately after the nomination process. The candidate with the most votes will be the President and the candidate with the second-most votes will be the Vice-President.
v) If the President is unable to fulfill his/her duties, then the interim President shall be the first available person of: the Vice-President, the candidates in the most recent presidential election (sorted by highest vote total), the members of the EWCC (sorted by earliest WC hosted), and the hosts of the Baptism of Fire tournament and Cup of Harmony (sorted by earliest tournament hosted). If two or more eligible successors are equal in any of these criteria, then they shall be sorted in alphabetical order.

1.3.2 Responsibilities
i) The WCC President is responsible for initiating all WCC or EWCC votes, and makes the final decision on what proposals are voted upon, except when that decision would contradict a rule.
ii) The President maintains and provides the lists of WCC and EWCC members, determines the length of time of every vote, and may choose how to proceed if an EWCC or WCC vote results in a tie.
ii) The President will initiate World Cup Signups with the official NSWC Signups forum account, who's password will be made known to all Presidents.
iii) If the President is involved in a WCC-sanctioned hosting vote as a candidate, the Vice-President will be called on to collect the votes.

1.4 The Vice-President
i) The Vice-President is selected in accordance with rule 1.3.1
ii) The Vice-President is the first user responsible for taking over if the sitting WCC President is unable to fulfill his/her duties.
iii) If the President and Vice-President are both involved in a WCC-sanctioned hosting vote as candidates, members of the EWCC will be called on to collect the votes.


2. WCC-Sanctioned events
2.1 Overview
i) The World Cup, Cup of Harmony, and Baptism of Fire tournaments are the only WCC-sanctioned events. The WCC has no rights or responsibilities over the running of any other event.
ii) The host(s) of a WCC-sanctioned event have complete control and responsibility of that event, except where that control has been given to the WCC, EWCC, or WCC President by other rules.
iii) A party bidding to host a WCC-sanctioned event must clearly declare, before voting starts, any significant changes from the normal operation of the event.
iv)The EWCC may vote to replace the host(s) of a WCC-sanctioned event if they are no longer able to proceed as hosts or if there is a serious problem with how the event is run by the host(s). Should this happen, the President must choose the replacement host(s) from available bids.

2.2 The Baptism of Fire
The Baptism of Fire is the first event in the World Cup cycle, being a pre-World Cup tournament for newcomer nations. It is a warm-up event that has continually unearthed the best new nations in world football. And the worst. In fact, all of them, regardless of quality.

2.2.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the BoF are:
i) A nation must not have previously participated in a Baptism of Fire
ii) A nation must have zero KPB points at the beginning of the World Cup cycle
iii) A nation must have signed up for the World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread and also indicated a wish to enter the Baptism of Fire.

2.2.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup may bid to host the BoF.
ii) Two-host bids are the preferred format, though any number of hosts are acceptable.
iii) The EWCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.


2.3 The World Cup
The World Cup is the second, and most important, event in the World Cup Cycle. It will always consist of 32 teams (including the co-hosts), who have been whittled down by the Qualifying Process to turn scores of hopeful countries into thirty relieved ones and countless disappointed ones. It is the longest running sports competition on Nationstates, dating back to early 2003 when internet piracy barely existed, and Max Barry was still trying to simply promote a book.

2.3.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the World cup are:
i) A nation must have signed up for the World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread
ii) A user may only sign up one nation in their first entry, but may from their second entry onwards sign up a second nation known as a puppet. This nation will be treated separately for the purposes of BoF/WC/CoH entry, but will not give the user a second vote on the WCC or EWCC.

2.3.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup may bid to host the World Cup, except if the user has hosted one of the previous two cups.
ii) Bids must consist of at least two hosts.
iii) The WCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.


2.4 The Cup of Harmony
The Cup of Harmony is the third and last event in the World Cup cycle. It is designed to be the Cup of Losers Non-Qualifiers, who have failed to get to the World Cup itself but have still demonstrated an insane desire to try and lift some sort of silverware. Originally called the Frosty Cup, the term Cup of Harmony is a much better name for the participating nations who just couldn't make it to the actual World Cup.

2.4.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the Cup of Harmony are:
i) A nation must have signed up for the corresponding World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread
ii) That nation must have failed to qualify for that World Cup, given the conditions set by the hosts.
iii) That nation must have posted at least one roleplay in the appropriate RP thread during the corresponding World Cup
iv) That nation must also have indicated a desire to play in the Cup of Harmony.

2.4.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup may bid to host the Cup of Harmony.
ii) Two-host bids are the preferred format, though any number of hosts are acceptable.
iii) The EWCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.


3. Official Rankings
Originally created by Kaze Progressa, with some modifications by Bedistan, the KPB rankings are the only place to compare one nation's skill (or lack thereof) with another.

3.1 KPB Rankings
i) Every World Cup shall use the official KPB Rankings system to determine ranks before the Qualifiers begin
ii) The ranking formula must be public
iii) The full list of ranks must be made publicly available in a suitable format
iv) Any changes to the KPB formula must be approved by WCC vote.

3.1.1 KPB Updates
i) The ranks must be updated in a timely manner by responsible and knowledgeable WCC members
ii) The ranks must be updated after the Baptism of Fire, so new nations receive their correct rank going into the World Cup (Qualifiers).
iii) The ranks may be updated after World Cup Qualifiers at the request of the World Cup hosts.
iv) The ranks must be updated after the World Cup and Cup of Harmony Finals have both finished.


4. Rule Changes
4.1 Procedure
i) This constitution takes effect once passed by a two-thirds majority of the WCC.
ii) The WCC may vote to amend or repeal any portion of this proposal.
iii) The WCC may vote to pass any new proposal. If a new proposal contradicts an older proposal, the new proposal supercedes the old one unless otherwise stated. Passage of a new proposal shall be achieved only if the proposal receives a majority of votes from those voting. If multiple contradicting proposals concerning the same subject are considered for vote simultaneously, at least two rounds of voting must be held, with an Instant Runoff/Preferential system also fulfilling this requirement.

4.2 Definitition of: "The (E)WCC may vote..."
i) When an EWCC or WCC vote is initiated by the President, a plurality vote (first past the post/most votes wins system) of that committee is required to make a decision, unless otherwise mandated.
ii) Any proposal by a WCC member can, if supported by three other WCC members, be put to a WCC-wide vote.
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Postby Daehanjeiguk » Sat May 23, 2009 2:04 pm

Because the SLANI originator of this thread FAILED to update these links into the first post, these links are here for your viewing convenience if this is your first time in this thread.

World Cup Committee (WCC) stuff
World Cup
Baptism of Fire
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World Cup FAQ
WCC Constitution - Read the Above, dummkopf
Latest World Cup Sign-ups (WC48)
Latest World Cup Ranks (Post-Qualifying WC47)

Non-WCC sanctioned events/stuff
Di Bradini Cup
Star's Book about the NSWC


Original Post:

I'd like to claim first post of this ancient and venerable thread tradition, with too many posts to count (of which a negligible few were actually on topic...).

and GO WC46!
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Postby Somewhereistonia » Sat May 23, 2009 2:23 pm

Looking at those nations which, as yet, haven't signed up for the Baptism of Fire. I'd say (as the current holder) that it does help a great deal to bring your nation into the game, so long as you roleplay. Its really worthwhile doing, if just to get the feel for the way things work.

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Postby Nethertopia » Sat May 23, 2009 2:39 pm

I just want my [s]MTV[/s] WC qualification, you guys.... :|

EDIT: still now working [s]? How... Unorthodox.
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Postby Daehanjeiguk » Sat May 23, 2009 2:56 pm

Nethertopia wrote:Attempt number 7. Grrr...

We will qualify!


eventually?
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Postby Nethertopia » Sat May 23, 2009 3:10 pm

Daehanjeiguk wrote:
Nethertopia wrote:Attempt number 7. Grrr...

We will qualify!


eventually?


...
Have some faith in me, fer Margaret's sake!
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Postby Starblaydia » Sat May 23, 2009 3:13 pm

An official note and overall insight into the Presidential plan for what's going on where in regard to the current and next World Cup cycles:

World Cup 46 will continue to be held on Jolt - no sense in doing the Qualifiers on one board and the Finals on another.
Cup of Harmony 38 will also be held entirely on Jolt, again for similar reasons as there is no sense in moving the non-qualifiers over to a different board. Plus, the CoH in itself may be fairly confusing to some newcomers seeing us for the first time, so best to start them off at the beginning of a cycle.

World Cup 47s sign-ups, along with the BoF, WCQs, Finals and CoH39, are taking place entirely on NS.net forums. The sign-up thread has been linked to in the old (well actually it's the second one, but never mind) WCDT, so everyone reading that should be pointed here. If it comes to it, I may also post a Sign-up thread on jolt that links to NS.net to make sure everyone knows where we are.

World Cup 48 and beyond will, barring the Beta forums being overheated by our little game of footy (and also barring any new president deciding to take the game straight back to jolt), be entirely within NS.net til the day we can't do it any more.

Hope that clears everything up before you were even confused.
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Postby Daehanjeiguk » Sat May 23, 2009 3:33 pm

Nethertopia wrote:
Daehanjeiguk wrote:
Nethertopia wrote:Attempt number 7. Grrr...

We will qualify!


eventually?


...
Have some faith in me, fer Margaret's sake!


I do have faith that you will eventually qualify! It's just a matter of when that's debatable.
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Postby Peisandros » Sat May 23, 2009 4:06 pm

OHMIGOSH we are here now. Hmm.

Going to take some adjusting to!
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Postby Silexhera » Sat May 23, 2009 5:22 pm

Ooh, shiny. Nice to be on page one too. One question though. Will the threads on this board get deleted through inactivity?

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Postby Ghordan » Sat May 23, 2009 5:26 pm

how do you makethread

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Postby Daehanjeiguk » Sat May 23, 2009 6:29 pm

Silexhera wrote:Ooh, shiny. Nice to be on page one too. One question though. Will the threads on this board get deleted through inactivity?


That be good question... hmmm... maybe il Presidente could ask i moderatori to say whether or not it is or not.
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Postby Quakmybush » Sat May 23, 2009 7:15 pm

I did post this in the old forum, but if anyone wants to maybe host WC 47 with me, TG me and we can discuss details.
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Postby Mor Rioghan » Sat May 23, 2009 7:22 pm

Is the roleplay aspect of WC basically a football game roleplay? That would be sad, I don't know football...

I'll watch a LOT of it and sign up next time.

And be proud of me, I finally stopped calling it soccer. 8-)
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Postby Qazox » Sat May 23, 2009 8:57 pm

And thus begins Qazox' quest to dominate the WCDT III (shouldn't we call it that?... :lol: )

Anyway.. Are all returning teams (ie: Sativaville) with a KPB rank of 0.00 still eligible for the BoF, pending the hosts discresion?
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Postby Adihan » Sat May 23, 2009 9:46 pm

Not if they've been in a BoF before.

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Postby Qazox » Sat May 23, 2009 10:36 pm

Adihan wrote:Not if they've been in a BoF before.


Just wondering that's all.
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Postby Errinundera » Sun May 24, 2009 12:50 am

Mor Rioghan wrote:Is the roleplay aspect of WC basically a football game roleplay? That would be sad, I don't know football...

I'll watch a LOT of it and sign up next time.

And be proud of me, I finally stopped calling it soccer. 8-)


RP it any way you like. If you don't know much about the game, concentrate on the personalities or anything else that amuses you.
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Postby Starblaydia » Sun May 24, 2009 2:02 am

Mor Rioghan wrote:Is the roleplay aspect of WC basically a football game roleplay? That would be sad, I don't know football...

I'll watch a LOT of it and sign up next time.

And be proud of me, I finally stopped calling it soccer. 8-)


There's nothing to be lost by entering an NSWC and knowing nothing about football, as Budweiser's 'Road to Germany' adverts proves.

As for thread deletion... I'll see if I can find out later on.
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Postby Nethertopia » Sun May 24, 2009 3:09 am

Daehanjeiguk wrote:I do have faith that you will eventually qualify! It's just a matter of when that's debatable.


You know, I hate you with a passion that is unmatched in this universe.

...

Gimme a hug.
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Postby Arroza » Sun May 24, 2009 3:46 am

This place still has that new thread smell.

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Postby Septentrionia » Sun May 24, 2009 9:27 am

Sorry, it doesn't... at least, since Qazox posted in it...


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Postby Daehanjeiguk » Sun May 24, 2009 12:32 pm

Nethertopia wrote:
Daehanjeiguk wrote:I do have faith that you will eventually qualify! It's just a matter of when that's debatable.


You know, I hate you with a passion that is unmatched in this universe.

...

Gimme a hug.


Okay...

*substitutes me with a bear and lets him hug the bear*
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Re: The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC)

Postby Nethertopia » Sun May 24, 2009 12:53 pm

Daehanjeiguk wrote:
Nethertopia wrote:
Daehanjeiguk wrote:I do have faith that you will eventually qualify! It's just a matter of when that's debatable.


You know, I hate you with a passion that is unmatched in this universe.

...

Gimme a hug.


Okay...

*substitutes me with a bear and lets him hug the bear*


Hey Hanners, do you know that you're amazingly fur- OHMYGOD!!!
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Third in WC51. That's about it. I think we once won the inaugural Table Tennis World Cup as well?

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Re: The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC)

Postby Stargate Centurion » Sun May 24, 2009 12:56 pm

Now THIS kind of conversation feels normal. :D

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