by Sebtopiaris » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:46 am
by Conkerials » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:48 am
by Lydenburg » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:51 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:We soon came across the possibility of a world government ruled by a supercomputer. After all, AI, if created, would be much more logical than most regular people, and if following the three laws of robotics it couldn't hurt people, right? Nope. What if it, being the well-intended thing that it is, tries to turn people into enchanced cyborgs against our will? What if it initiates some sort of five year plan that, while working well in the long run, causes living standards to drastically decline. Drug testing? Medical stuff? Who knows?
What are your opinions of this, dear NSG? What should we do if such a system is implemented?
by Mefpan » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:54 am
by Wind in the Willows » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:55 am
by Amigaraserontadami » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:00 am
by Vorstus » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:03 am
by Sebtopiaris » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:16 am
Vorstus wrote:One of my own creations. Social Conglomeracy. I even made a factbook on it.
by Sebtopiaris » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:19 am
Lydenburg wrote:Sebtopiaris wrote:We soon came across the possibility of a world government ruled by a supercomputer. After all, AI, if created, would be much more logical than most regular people, and if following the three laws of robotics it couldn't hurt people, right? Nope. What if it, being the well-intended thing that it is, tries to turn people into enchanced cyborgs against our will? What if it initiates some sort of five year plan that, while working well in the long run, causes living standards to drastically decline. Drug testing? Medical stuff? Who knows?
What are your opinions of this, dear NSG? What should we do if such a system is implemented?
What if the world is already ruled by a supercomputer, and it's just not as obvious as you projected?
by Lydenburg » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:24 am
by Sebtopiaris » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:26 am
Lydenburg wrote:Sebtopiaris wrote:Yes, but what if it was more obvious and it operated on Isaac Asimov's laws of robotics, which would be flawed in this situation?
The way I see it, any supercomputer groomed for a task as mammoth as managing the world would recognise that it's inherent human nature to resist totalitarian government. Consequently, it would find a way to project a false image of liberty/sovereignty/normalcy to keep the masses content while subtly managing things behind the scenes.
by The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:28 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:Lydenburg wrote:
The way I see it, any supercomputer groomed for a task as mammoth as managing the world would recognise that it's inherent human nature to resist totalitarian government. Consequently, it would find a way to project a false image of liberty/sovereignty/normalcy to keep the masses content while subtly managing things behind the scenes.
But is there any way that it wouldn't fuck us over? Any way to make it so that we were ruled benevolently?
by Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:29 am
by The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:31 am
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I dunno. What if the AI was hacked or got a virus? There would be no end of fuck ups then.
by Prezelly » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:33 am
by The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:37 am
Prezelly wrote:A world ruled by an AI Would be a dictatorship. The program would have laws wired into it ad punishments would be mandatory. No wiggle room anywhere
by Prezelly » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:41 am
by Ifreann » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:43 am
if(goingAwry(AI)){
stahp();
}
by The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:44 am
by Prezelly » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:51 am
The New Lowlands wrote:Prezelly wrote:What about when ruled by a ruthless machine?
I'd say it would probably be
An 'AI'-run society would simply be led exactly as the AI's programming would allow. Implement the Three Laws of Robotics, or some more complicated safeguard, and unlike any flight of fancy might suggest it would not be able to circumvent those without third party intervention.
Star Trek and I, Robot aren't good indicators of how computers work.
by The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:54 am
Prezelly wrote:The New Lowlands wrote:An 'AI'-run society would simply be led exactly as the AI's programming would allow. Implement the Three Laws of Robotics, or some more complicated safeguard, and unlike any flight of fancy might suggest it would not be able to circumvent those without third party intervention.
Star Trek and I, Robot aren't good indicators of how computers work.
The three laws of robotics cannot be used to run a nation or a world it is for AI and interaction with a single human.
1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through interaction, allow a human to come to harm.
Many cases would be a hurt this group or another option. Could not be solved by a computer
2.A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except when it conflicts with the first law
Easy to corrupt
by Prezelly » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:58 am
The New Lowlands wrote:Prezelly wrote:The three laws of robotics cannot be used to run a nation or a world it is for AI and interaction with a single human.
1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through interaction, allow a human to come to harm.
Many cases would be a hurt this group or another option. Could not be solved by a computer
2.A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except when it conflicts with the first law
Easy to corrupt
Please try to restate your objection, I can't really understand it.
by The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:01 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:02 am
by Prezelly » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:03 am
The New Lowlands wrote:Prezelly wrote:I'm saying there really won't be a logical system that you can introduce to control an AI ruler because the laws can only be so specific and issues will arise where the AI will exploit said laws
The 'AI' has no self-interest. It won't 'exploit' anything unless programmed to.
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