by Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:11 am
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:23 am
by Zychonia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:25 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:The labour welfare nazi (A newly created position that replaced "Party leader" ever since they shat the bed and decided that their core vote isn't the left wing, but right wing hystericals who hate welfare) has decided that there shouldn't be any job seekers allowance for anyone who doesn't have at least an A level or equivalent, and anyone who falls below this threshhold must return to education instead.
Obviously, i'm opposed for various reasons which i'll elaborate now (I sneezed on the enter key, gimme a second.)
It seems to me that this is yet more demonization of people on welfare who, as shocking as this may be to people, don't actually want to remain on welfare for the rest of their lives. Furthermore, many people I know consistently work and work often, but nonetheless are unqualified under their new scheme to receive job seekers allowance (I.E, unemployment benefit) between jobs.
This would apply to people between 18 and 21, so provided they manage to not starve in the meantime it should be fine.
Furthermore, this seems to take an extremely rosey view of our education system. At 18-21 being the target demographic, it'll be impossible for college places to be found for all the people who suddenly need to go enroll and then skip classes in order to obtain their welfare.
I know of 3 people personally who would have been screwed by this shenanigan, who worked when they left school at 16 up until 19 or 20 before being out of work for one or two years, then returned to work.
They have no interest in further education, their careers are based on skill and experience. Nonetheless, the Labour party would have them go waste absolutely everybodies time and a bunch of money in order to make the paranoid loons who go mental every time they think someone is cheating the system feel a little less hysterical.
Couple that with the increase in the number of years you need to pay in to the system from 2 to 5, and Miliband seems absolutely determined to lose the youth vote, considering that earlier this week we had a very nice Tory come on television to explain to the country that it's a little full of shit that peoples criminal records survive beyond their 18th birthday and we probably should rectify that.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... d-miliband
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27911518
What do you think NSG?
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:28 am
Zychonia wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:The labour welfare nazi (A newly created position that replaced "Party leader" ever since they shat the bed and decided that their core vote isn't the left wing, but right wing hystericals who hate welfare) has decided that there shouldn't be any job seekers allowance for anyone who doesn't have at least an A level or equivalent, and anyone who falls below this threshhold must return to education instead.
Obviously, i'm opposed for various reasons which i'll elaborate now (I sneezed on the enter key, gimme a second.)
It seems to me that this is yet more demonization of people on welfare who, as shocking as this may be to people, don't actually want to remain on welfare for the rest of their lives. Furthermore, many people I know consistently work and work often, but nonetheless are unqualified under their new scheme to receive job seekers allowance (I.E, unemployment benefit) between jobs.
This would apply to people between 18 and 21, so provided they manage to not starve in the meantime it should be fine.
Furthermore, this seems to take an extremely rosey view of our education system. At 18-21 being the target demographic, it'll be impossible for college places to be found for all the people who suddenly need to go enroll and then skip classes in order to obtain their welfare.
I know of 3 people personally who would have been screwed by this shenanigan, who worked when they left school at 16 up until 19 or 20 before being out of work for one or two years, then returned to work.
They have no interest in further education, their careers are based on skill and experience. Nonetheless, the Labour party would have them go waste absolutely everybodies time and a bunch of money in order to make the paranoid loons who go mental every time they think someone is cheating the system feel a little less hysterical.
Couple that with the increase in the number of years you need to pay in to the system from 2 to 5, and Miliband seems absolutely determined to lose the youth vote, considering that earlier this week we had a very nice Tory come on television to explain to the country that it's a little full of shit that peoples criminal records survive beyond their 18th birthday and we probably should rectify that.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... d-miliband
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27911518
What do you think NSG?
Good, Labour Party has some sense, if it ever had any.
by Aushanit » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:30 am
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:34 am
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:36 am
Stormaen wrote:A Tory suggesting we give young'uns a second chance?! Wow. That's quite progressive.
As a side note. The Tories are increasingly - under Cameron, anyway - outmanoeuvring Labour for that social centre. They opposed ID cards, holding DNA profiles indefinitely, etc. Fair enough, still some way to go on not spying on us but then, Labour used 7/7 and "turrrizm" to put that in place.
I sincerely hope that Cameron gets his majority in 2015. Some will dread it, of course, but I'm the opposite: the prospect of a Labour win in 2015 actually scares me. I live in a Labour heartland and yet only 1 person I know plans to vote for them (and she says it's because she's done so all her life, not because she's impressed by Miliband or Balls).
by The Serbian Empire » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:40 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Stormaen wrote:A Tory suggesting we give young'uns a second chance?! Wow. That's quite progressive.
As a side note. The Tories are increasingly - under Cameron, anyway - outmanoeuvring Labour for that social centre. They opposed ID cards, holding DNA profiles indefinitely, etc. Fair enough, still some way to go on not spying on us but then, Labour used 7/7 and "turrrizm" to put that in place.
I sincerely hope that Cameron gets his majority in 2015. Some will dread it, of course, but I'm the opposite: the prospect of a Labour win in 2015 actually scares me. I live in a Labour heartland and yet only 1 person I know plans to vote for them (and she says it's because she's done so all her life, not because she's impressed by Miliband or Balls).
Hell no. I'll be voting plaid or green, luckily I have plaid to vote for. It sucks for the English though... Forgive the Lib Dems maybe? I dunno. I can see why the Scots want to get out of dodge frankly. The conservatives are insanely right wing on economics, and Labour is schizophrenic and all over the place, desperately trying to patch together some semblence of a moral compass.
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:40 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Stormaen wrote:A Tory suggesting we give young'uns a second chance?! Wow. That's quite progressive.
As a side note. The Tories are increasingly - under Cameron, anyway - outmanoeuvring Labour for that social centre. They opposed ID cards, holding DNA profiles indefinitely, etc. Fair enough, still some way to go on not spying on us but then, Labour used 7/7 and "turrrizm" to put that in place.
I sincerely hope that Cameron gets his majority in 2015. Some will dread it, of course, but I'm the opposite: the prospect of a Labour win in 2015 actually scares me. I live in a Labour heartland and yet only 1 person I know plans to vote for them (and she says it's because she's done so all her life, not because she's impressed by Miliband or Balls).
Hell no. I'll be voting plaid or green, luckily I have plaid to vote for. It sucks for the English though... Forgive the Lib Dems maybe? I dunno. I can see why the Scots want to get out of dodge frankly. The conservatives are insanely right wing on economics, and Labour is schizophrenic and all over the place, desperately trying to patch together some semblence of a moral compass.
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:41 am
The Serbian Empire wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Hell no. I'll be voting plaid or green, luckily I have plaid to vote for. It sucks for the English though... Forgive the Lib Dems maybe? I dunno. I can see why the Scots want to get out of dodge frankly. The conservatives are insanely right wing on economics, and Labour is schizophrenic and all over the place, desperately trying to patch together some semblence of a moral compass.
And UKIP? They're probably the worst traits of Tories and Labour put together.
by The Serbian Empire » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:42 am
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:47 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Forgive the Lib Dems maybe?
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:49 am
Stormaen wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Forgive the Lib Dems maybe?
They're a bit Euro-federalist for my liking and some of their economic policies are little questionable (IMO). Also, I like the Lib Dems under the Orange Book leadership but I think that'll change come 2015 results and someone like Hughes or Cable from the left of the party will come into the leadership and probably lurch it back to the left of Labour. Where's Paddy Ashdown when you need him?
In all honesty, I'll probably vote Conservative.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:57 am
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:58 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Stormaen wrote:They're a bit Euro-federalist for my liking and some of their economic policies are little questionable (IMO). Also, I like the Lib Dems under the Orange Book leadership but I think that'll change come 2015 results and someone like Hughes or Cable from the left of the party will come into the leadership and probably lurch it back to the left of Labour. Where's Paddy Ashdown when you need him?
In all honesty, I'll probably vote Conservative.
To try and cement the drift to the left on social issues?
by Ardoki » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:01 am
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:03 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:My friend thinks Milibands policy advisors hate his fucking guts because he stole the election and want him gone as leader, hence why they keep handing him these insane policies, so they can generate enough hatred and discontent to shove him before the election and get the person we actually voted for, the other Miliband.
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It's a possibility.
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:11 am
by Stormaen » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:12 am
Ardoki wrote:That is just sad. They should at least change their name if they're going to go back on the original policies of Labour parties everywhere.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:13 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:they are way over-complicating this.
Why not just give everyone and anyone who is unemployed welfare?
by GraySoap » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:14 am
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:15 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:they are way over-complicating this.
Why not just give everyone and anyone who is unemployed welfare?
Because right wingers will start spluttering and coughing, going red faced and pooping themselves before voting for the conservative party like they were planning to anyway.
So basically because the Labour party leadership has absolutely no idea what the people of the country actually believe or act like due to them being utterly detatched from society and living in the westminster bubble.
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