Copyright Question [split]

[Arkolon]

I wish to post a thread in NSG, but it would require copying out a good portion of Chapter 9 of Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974). I'm unsure what the rules are on copyright and all that, so I'd like to check here (if it's even the right place) just to, you know, be on the right side of legality here.

[Farnhamia]

You should plaster copyright information all over your post, of course, but the best people to ask are the publishers of the book. I'm sure they have a standard canned answer to questions like this.

I think this is the place to start: http://www.perseusbooksgroup.com/subsid ... rmissions/

[Arkolon]

You should plaster copyright information all over your post, of course, but the best people to ask are the publishers of the book. I'm sure they have a standard canned answer to questions like this.

I think this is the place to start: http://www.perseusbooksgroup.com/subsid ... rmissions/

Yeah, you have to pay or something. I'd rather not, and perhaps sum up the content in my own words instead. Thanks for helping, though.

[Farnhamia]

You should plaster copyright information all over your post, of course, but the best people to ask are the publishers of the book. I'm sure they have a standard canned answer to questions like this.

I think this is the place to start: http://www.perseusbooksgroup.com/subsid ... rmissions/

Yeah, you have to pay or something. I'd rather not, and perhaps sum up the content in my own words instead. Thanks for helping, though.

Sure, no problem. You can always make specific page references. I don't know how much of the book is available on-line but I did see a browsable version at Amazon. You could refer people there and they could even buy it! Profit!

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

I wish to post a thread in NSG, but it would require copying out a good portion of Chapter 9 of Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974). I'm unsure what the rules are on copyright and all that, so I'd like to check here (if it's even the right place) just to, you know, be on the right side of legality here.

Actually, I believe if you simply site it, and put quotes around the entire thing, it SHOULD be acceptable, or am I wrong?

[Farnhamia]

I wish to post a thread in NSG, but it would require copying out a good portion of Chapter 9 of Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974). I'm unsure what the rules are on copyright and all that, so I'd like to check here (if it's even the right place) just to, you know, be on the right side of legality here.

Actually, I believe if you simply site it, and put quotes around the entire thing, it SHOULD be acceptable, or am I wrong?

Maybe, maybe not. For short passages, yes, that's probably fine, but he wants to quote most of an entire chapter. Publishers allow the quoting of short passages for reviews and for papers but to allow large passages to be quoted goes against the idea of protecting their right to copy the work.

[Arkolon]

Actually, I believe if you simply site it, and put quotes around the entire thing, it SHOULD be acceptable, or am I wrong?

Maybe, maybe not. For short passages, yes, that's probably fine, but he wants to quote most of an entire chapter. Publishers allow the quoting of short passages for reviews and for papers but to allow large passages to be quoted goes against the idea of protecting their right to copy the work.

Well, "large". It's not that large. I can trim it down, too. There's a Wikipedia bitesize synopsis on it, but I feel as if it doesn't have the same authentic grasp as Nozick's pen does. I could use that, though.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Actually, I believe if you simply site it, and put quotes around the entire thing, it SHOULD be acceptable, or am I wrong?

Maybe, maybe not. For short passages, yes, that's probably fine, but he wants to quote most of an entire chapter. Publishers allow the quoting of short passages for reviews and for papers but to allow large passages to be quoted goes against the idea of protecting their right to copy the work.

Alright. Makes sense

[Swith Witherward]

Yeah, you have to pay or something. I'd rather not, and perhaps sum up the content in my own words instead. Thanks for helping, though.

Sure, no problem. You can always make specific page references. I don't know how much of the book is available on-line but I did see a browsable version at Amazon. You could refer people there and they could even buy it! Profit!

It's sound advice, Farn.

If you all don't mind me adding some commentary? (If you do, just smack me so I refrain the next time around! *g*)

It would fall under Fair Use if it's being used as a discussion topic, if person using it isn't claiming the work for his own, if the author is cited, and if it's presented as part of a discussion.

"Fair Use is an “affirmative defense”—the defendant copier has the burden of proof to show that Fair Use applies. Essentially he says, “Yes, I copied the work—but I am allowed to because my copying is “Fair Use.”...In fancy words, “It [fair use] was created to allow use of copyright (sic) material for socially valuable purposes such as commentary, parody, news reporting, education and the like, without permission of the copyright holder.” Friedlander, Joel, "What Every Writer Ought to Know about Fair Use and Copyright", The Book Designer, February 8, 2010.

Fair Use is determined on a case-by-case basis. In referencing, it's good habit to not only cite the work and author (as well as page references) but also the source the data was pulled from. Typing passages straight out of the book in front of you needs only the basic citation (Author, book title, publisher, publish date, chapter etc), but if the work is pulled from another source (such as a view from Amazon's 'See Inside'), it's polite to also cite that additional source directly because Amazon has paid for the right to publish excerpts.

Fair Use is only as good as the person's efforts. This means that a person can get squeak by with directly copying material if the reason is backed up. Arkolon or any NSer is capable of dropping in a portion of Chapter 9 of Anarchy, State and Utopia, but they must expand upon the thought. It can't be the copied block of text followed by a simple "I agree. What say you NSG?" Instead, he should make every effort to pad it with discussion points which refer to the copied work, otherwise there's no actual reason to reproduce the work. This can be done a variety of ways.

QUOTE
NS OP's opinion
QUOTE
NS OP's opinion

Or

QUOTE¹ QUOTE ²
1. NS OP's opinion
2. NS OP's opinion

or

ENTIRE QUOTE
NS OP's opinion which cites (whatever above). Another statement citing (whatever above). This can be accomplished by something as simple as "[Author] states [quoted passage] and I [agree/disagree] because..."

Even then, an author or publisher can take offense to the reproduced work. Copyright extends beyond words to protect the author's concept as well. That's why things are decided on a case-by-case basis.

edit: fixed code.

[Euroslavia]

Very sound advice, Swith. It's much appreciated. Added this to The One Stop Rules Shop, under the Copyright section:

Additional advice/commentary on "Fair Use" located here.