English Flag Hoodie Looks Like Ku Klux Klan Outfit

[Alcmaria]

How they've gotten away with what? All the senior Nazis bar a handful were found guilty and executed, their actions led to the creation of human rights as we now know them and their women were raped by the million by the Soviets.
Their country was occupied for various reasons for almost the remainder of the century after the War and entire cities had been razed to the ground.

They got away with nothing.

Most of the senior Nazis, yes. Millions of enablers lived happy lives, although most of them are dead by now, too. Anyway, I wasn't specifically talking about the war crimes. I've seen enough Germans disrespecting, disobeying, cheating and abusing in any way you can imagine, including to people that I care about. I know that people everywhere do that, and that even though they're many they're still individuals, and I always try to treat them as such, but I find it very hard, and buying products from former Nazi companies is just a bit too much for me.

Edit: by the way as of today still thousands of neo-nazis are living in Germany. And if you're saying only the Nazis and the SS are responsible for the Holocaust, you might want to do a Google search on Hitler's Willing Executioners.

Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulric ... er_the_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-Nazi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ax ... mes#German

[Wind in the Willows]

Can we make it a criminal offense for yanks to call us silly things like "Limeys", since you know, that's what they called our brave soldiers 200 years ago before brutally slaughtering them in battle? I'm sure someone in the UK finds the term "Limey" offensive.

Ironic coming from someone blithely using the term Yank.

Limey is way more offensive than Yank is.

[Indira]

I really don't mind people wearing their flag. Perhaps a little more thought though? I mean, the KKK isn't active over here, but we know about it.

[Wind in the Willows]

If I'm typing on this computer I'm not against the Holocaust? That's stupid. If I find it inconvenient to boycott some companies and not others, then so be it. If you think it's not called boycotting in that case, let me rephrase: I don't buy the products of the company because it's easy enough to find a more innocent alternative. For me the reason is irrelevant for whether it be a boycott or not, but I just used the word because it's shorter than a phrase anyway.
I don't like Germans, for war crimes and more recent, personal encounters, how they've gotten away with things and their 'superior' behavior when they are in other countries, generally speaking of course, because I do have German friends (who know how I think about this) (is that hypocrite too?). As a consequence, I tend not to avoid some of their infected brands.

How they've gotten away with what? All the senior Nazis bar a handful were found guilty and executed, their actions led to the creation of human rights as we now know them and their women were raped by the million by the Soviets.
Their country was occupied for various reasons for almost the remainder of the century after the War and entire cities had been razed to the ground.

They got away with nothing.

I agree with this. Germans got away with nothing.

[Katganistan]

Ironic coming from someone blithely using the term Yank.

Ah, but we didn't call Americans Yanks. They called each other Yanks as an insult during the civil war, so there's no sinister undertone when we use that insult.

No, sorry, Yanks comes quite a bit before the civil war, thank you -- it was an insult from the British when they referred to the colonists as "Yankee Doodles" before, during and after that little tiff we lovingly refer to here as The Revolutionary War and you call "good riddance".

Really, now. If you're going to use a term of endearment for us, know where it comes from.

Also, seriously, you got called Limeys because your navy was sensible enough to realize eating citrus would stave off scurvy. That's an insult?

[Imperializt Russia]

I thought Limey was an insult, because no country that produced limes would actually sell them to us. We actually had to use lemons, which are only half as effective as limes, apparently.

And besides, Yankee Doodle, IIRC, was quickly reclaimed by Americans, wasn't it? They turned it into a patriotic song.

[Brutland and Norden]

It doesn't matter is the KKK is active in the country or not, people everywhere know the KKK and how they dress

If you say KKK in my country, they are going to think of this. People should stop being America-centric.

[Alcmaria]

It doesn't matter is the KKK is active in the country or not, people everywhere know the KKK and how they dress

If you say KKK in my country, they are going to think of this. People should stop being America-centric.

The hoodie is the problem, not that people are shouting: KKK! Besides, it would be strange if people in the UK would be thinking of the the Philippine Revolution of 1896 when they hear KKK, there's nothing America-centric about associating it with the Klan.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Are the Daily Mail complaining it doesn't look enough like a KKK outfit? You can never tell with them.

[Chemaki]

No, sorry, Yanks comes quite a bit before the civil war, thank you -- it was an insult from the British when they referred to the colonists as "Yankee Doodles" before, during and after that little tiff we lovingly refer to here as The Revolutionary War and you call "good riddance".

Oh, fair enough; I've talked to a few people from the deep South and a lot of them hate it when I use the term 'Yank' - Apparently it's reserved for people who live in the Northeast.

Not that it doesn't stop me calling them that.

Besides, it would be strange if people in the UK would be thinking of the the Philippine Revolution of 1896 when they hear KKK, there's nothing America-centric about associating it with the Klan.

Now that is very America-centric.

[Alyakia]

am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.

[Breadknife]

¹ The least British of the four national patron saints of Britain, as it happens...

Excuse the petty pedantry, but Andrew is surely just as "un-British" as George.

England: Saint George - Late 3rd-century Roman soldier, most likely from around what's now modern Israel.

Scotland: Saint Andrew - 1st-century Palestinian Jew/early Christian.

Ireland: Saint Patrick - 5th-century Romano-Briton kidnapped by Irish slave traders from somewhere in the western part of the Roman Empire's British provinces (Patrick himself wasn't too clear on the details; the location of Bannavem Taburniae eludes us - it's not this site).

Wales: Saint David - 6th-century Welshman from southwest Wales.

Which ultimately means that while Patrick is at least from the British Isles, David is the only British/Irish national patron saint who was actually born in the country of which he's now the patron....

I'm not saying that it's not a close-called thing, in this regard. St. Andrew has at least had (alleged) relics brought to the country (by Bishop Akka? I forget exactly), whereas I think St. George has foregone even this potential official act, in order to grace this particular adopted land of patronage.

Mind you, he was brought in as a late substitute very late in his 'religious (after)life', taking over from Edward the Confessor for... theopolitical reasons. So he probably decided it wasn't worth the bother.


Regarding us British recognising, or not, the symbology of the KKK in the alleged 'robe', that's not necessarily the question (although I'd say a good proportion would; we import a lot of US culture, by default, through imported TV and films). Instead it's what might the Brazilian hosts and our potential opponents upon the field think of what we're wearing. Intention or not, I could see a furore occuring if they started donning the garments, en mass, without 'warning'...


However, perhaps this is all moot if a plainly non-Klan symbol appears on the apparel.

Not even a controversal image, from the movie that *proudly* brought you the N-word!

[Imperializt Russia]

am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.

Of course it's known of in the UK.
They're not culturally relevant, unlike in the US.

[Katganistan]

am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.

Yes, given we're talking about someone taking something to be malicious which is not, versus someone being deliberately insulting. Do keep up, please.

[Chemaki]

am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.

Yes, given we're talking about someone taking something to be malicious which is not, versus someone being deliberately insulting. Do keep up, please.

My slant on that was more "It's silly criticizing other countries for unintentional links to past historical grievances within your own that have absolutely no connection to them", like banning Limes because they remind some poor Brit about the war of 1812.

[Len Hyet]

Honestly if the two pictures hadn't been put together I probably wouldn't have made the connection. One is very clearly a body hugging cloak designed to symbolize white power and supremacy in an organization that has dedicated itself to the spread of white power throughout the world. The other is a KKK outfit.

[Ainin]

I honestly don't see the resemblance between the stupid cloth cloak worn by the KKK and this plastic English raincoat.

[Imperializt Russia]

I honestly don't see the resemblance between the stupid cloth cloak worn by the KKK and this plastic English raincoat.

It's white and it's pointy.
So was Saturn V.

[Len Hyet]

I honestly don't see the resemblance between the stupid cloth cloak worn by the KKK and this plastic English raincoat.

It's white and it's pointy.
So was Saturn V.

That is not the analogy I was thinking of

[The Archregimancy]

I'm not saying that it's not a close-called thing, in this regard. St. Andrew has at least had (alleged) relics brought to the country (by Bishop Akka? I forget exactly), whereas I think St. George has foregone even this potential official act, in order to grace this particular adopted land of patronage.

I'd quibble, but I see why you're making the point, so fair enough.

Mind you, he was brought in as a late substitute very late in his 'religious (after)life', taking over from Edward the Confessor for... theopolitical reasons. So he probably decided it wasn't worth the bother.

A common misconception.

While Edward the Confessor was very popular as a de facto English patron in the period before the adoption of St. George, the de jure patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the ... Patronages

http://www.edmundforengland.co.uk/

In which case England's flag might have ended up looking like this....

[National Socialist Korea]

I'm not saying that it's not a close-called thing, in this regard. St. Andrew has at least had (alleged) relics brought to the country (by Bishop Akka? I forget exactly), whereas I think St. George has foregone even this potential official act, in order to grace this particular adopted land of patronage.

I'd quibble, but I see why you're making the point, so fair enough.

Mind you, he was brought in as a late substitute very late in his 'religious (after)life', taking over from Edward the Confessor for... theopolitical reasons. So he probably decided it wasn't worth the bother.

A common misconception.

While Edward the Confessor was very popular as a de facto English patron in the period before the adoption of St. George, the de jure patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the_Martyr

http://www.edmundforengland.co.uk/

In which case England's flag might have ended up looking like this....

My eyes did not approve of that flag.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's white and it's pointy.
So was Saturn V.

That is not the analogy I was thinking of

It is now

[Len Hyet]

That is not the analogy I was thinking of

It is now

[Breadknife]

While Edward the Confessor was very popular as a de facto English patron in the period before the adoption of St. George, the de jure patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr.

Interesting. I do like learning new things. Now, you see I'm a Borders person, on the whole, which makes me a little schizophrenic on some issues of nationality within the Union. Mind you, my ancestry probably thought that if it has nothing to do with cattle rustling (either the doing of or the defence against (St. Peter, with a sideline of St Nicholas?)... if not both, intermittently...) it wasn't worth knowing, but I'm willing to learn.

As to St. Edmund's flag, I thought it was three crowns... (sings: ♫Three crowns on my shirt, Everyone's still dreaming...♫) But the English are a simple people, so maybe it's a good job it reduced to a simple orthagonal cross.

(And, apparently Pope Gregory the First (styled Saint Gregory the Great) was also (co-)patron saint for England, prior to the switch to Georgie-boy... And possibly also the Archangel Michael, but I think that's just being greedy... even if we line up Columba, Margaret and (Irish bishop) Palladius, to the north of the Border, Scotland would probably be playing a defensive match against such a powerhouse team...)

[Constaniana]

I'm not saying that it's not a close-called thing, in this regard. St. Andrew has at least had (alleged) relics brought to the country (by Bishop Akka? I forget exactly), whereas I think St. George has foregone even this potential official act, in order to grace this particular adopted land of patronage.

I'd quibble, but I see why you're making the point, so fair enough.

Mind you, he was brought in as a late substitute very late in his 'religious (after)life', taking over from Edward the Confessor for... theopolitical reasons. So he probably decided it wasn't worth the bother.

A common misconception.

While Edward the Confessor was very popular as a de facto English patron in the period before the adoption of St. George, the de jure patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the ... Patronages

http://www.edmundforengland.co.uk/

In which case England's flag might have ended up looking like this....

Looking for St. Edmund's flag on Google also led me to this, which I think would be a good replacement. You could stick the white dragon next to the red one and finally get Wale's flag partially included in the Union flag.