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by Seriong » Wed May 28, 2014 4:40 am
Drawkland wrote:I think it delegitimizes true cases of sexual assault, like real dangerous cases being dismissed, "Oh it's only sexual assault"
Like racism. If everything's "racist," then you can't tell what really is racist.
Murkwood wrote:As a trans MtF Bi Pansexual Transautistic CAMAB Demiplatonic Asensual Better-Abled Planetkin Singlet Afro-Centric Vegan Socialist Therian, I'm immune from criticism.
by Benuty » Wed May 28, 2014 4:41 am
Seriong wrote:I went through this study before, there are some issues with it:
You should check the methodology, and definitions. For example, for a while, anyone that was found to not 'support israel' was thought to be an anti-semite.
Lets look at the questions posed:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country
Believing this does not make one an anti-semite. In the same way that someone would not be labelled a bigot for saying to another person that they have a loyalty to an out of state college.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world
To label this as anti-semitism would also require anyone saying that men have too much power to be misandrist, that white people have too much power racist. We don't do that, and should at least remain consistent.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets
See above
4) Jews talk too much about the holocaust
This would not make someone an anti-semite. Saying that the issue is brought up too often does not imply any sort of hatred or mistrust of Jews.
5) Whether or not "Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus Christ"
This is simply the Biblical story.
6) Whether the surveyed opinion of Jews is influenced by the actions of Israel.
When Israel stops naming itself the homeland of the Jews, and speaking of itself as the Jewish state, this will die down. That's its motivation, not some feeling towards general Jews.
6.5) How it changed their opinion
See above
7) Whether anti-Jewish treatment came from anti-Jewish sentiment, or anti-Israel sentiment
Shouldn't provide any useful indication
8. Is the government doing enough to secure the safety of Jews.
See above
Always check the methodology, especially of something like the ADL, that has a stated agenda (Read: Bias).
by Viritica » Wed May 28, 2014 4:43 am
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by The Re-Frisivisiaing » Wed May 28, 2014 6:07 am
by Alyakia » Wed May 28, 2014 6:11 am
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seems like the numbers are probably inflated by conflating lack of support for Israel with hatred of Jews.
That's the kind of dishonesty you would come to expect from the damn-
*whacked over head by ADL representative*
by The Re-Frisivisiaing » Wed May 28, 2014 6:12 am
Alyakia wrote:The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seems like the numbers are probably inflated by conflating lack of support for Israel with hatred of Jews.
That's the kind of dishonesty you would come to expect from the damn-
*whacked over head by ADL representative*
israel is only a small part of the survey questions, and even then half of it is more "do you think jews are more loyal to israel than here"
by Rutannia » Wed May 28, 2014 6:14 am
by Alyakia » Wed May 28, 2014 6:15 am
by The Re-Frisivisiaing » Wed May 28, 2014 6:18 am
Alyakia wrote:The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Isn't it a little bit of a trap asking people to generalize and then declaring them all bigots?
if you think jews are all secretly beholden to their israeli masters and also run all the business and media and only are about themselves have too much control over world affairs and can you please shut up about the holocaust already not that i am completely sure it even happened there does come a point where "habours some anti-semetic views" becomes an entirely accurate description of you.
by The Re-Frisivisiaing » Wed May 28, 2014 6:21 am
Seriong wrote:I went through this study before, there are some issues with it:
You should check the methodology, and definitions. For example, for a while, anyone that was found to not 'support israel' was thought to be an anti-semite.
Lets look at the questions posed:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country
Believing this does not make one an anti-semite. In the same way that someone would not be labelled a bigot for saying to another person that they have a loyalty to an out of state college.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world
To label this as anti-semitism would also require anyone saying that men have too much power to be misandrist, that white people have too much power racist. We don't do that, and should at least remain consistent.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets
See above
4) Jews talk too much about the holocaust
This would not make someone an anti-semite. Saying that the issue is brought up too often does not imply any sort of hatred or mistrust of Jews.
5) Whether or not "Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus Christ"
This is simply the Biblical story.
6) Whether the surveyed opinion of Jews is influenced by the actions of Israel.
When Israel stops naming itself the homeland of the Jews, and speaking of itself as the Jewish state, this will die down. That's its motivation, not some feeling towards general Jews.
6.5) How it changed their opinion
See above
7) Whether anti-Jewish treatment came from anti-Jewish sentiment, or anti-Israel sentiment
Shouldn't provide any useful indication
8. Is the government doing enough to secure the safety of Jews.
See above
Always check the methodology, especially of something like the ADL, that has a stated agenda (Read: Bias).
by Alyakia » Wed May 28, 2014 6:26 am
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Alyakia wrote:
if you think jews are all secretly beholden to their israeli masters and also run all the business and media and only are about themselves have too much control over world affairs and can you please shut up about the holocaust already not that i am completely sure it even happened there does come a point where "habours some anti-semetic views" becomes an entirely accurate description of you.
Woah woah woah, that is a very long and very accusatory sentence. What I'm saying here is that support for Israel, which was counted on this survey, is not necessarily the only thing between people and anti-semitism.
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seriong wrote:I went through this study before, there are some issues with it:
You should check the methodology, and definitions. For example, for a while, anyone that was found to not 'support israel' was thought to be an anti-semite.
Lets look at the questions posed:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country
Believing this does not make one an anti-semite. In the same way that someone would not be labelled a bigot for saying to another person that they have a loyalty to an out of state college.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world
To label this as anti-semitism would also require anyone saying that men have too much power to be misandrist, that white people have too much power racist. We don't do that, and should at least remain consistent.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets
See above
4) Jews talk too much about the holocaust
This would not make someone an anti-semite. Saying that the issue is brought up too often does not imply any sort of hatred or mistrust of Jews.
5) Whether or not "Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus Christ"
This is simply the Biblical story.
6) Whether the surveyed opinion of Jews is influenced by the actions of Israel.
When Israel stops naming itself the homeland of the Jews, and speaking of itself as the Jewish state, this will die down. That's its motivation, not some feeling towards general Jews.
6.5) How it changed their opinion
See above
7) Whether anti-Jewish treatment came from anti-Jewish sentiment, or anti-Israel sentiment
Shouldn't provide any useful indication
8. Is the government doing enough to secure the safety of Jews.
See above
Always check the methodology, especially of something like the ADL, that has a stated agenda (Read: Bias).
Those questions don't seem very biased. Were there more?
by Murkwood » Wed May 28, 2014 6:29 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Benuty » Wed May 28, 2014 6:58 am
Murkwood wrote:Didn't I already make a thread on this?
by Wind in the Willows » Wed May 28, 2014 8:15 am
by Murkwood » Wed May 28, 2014 8:16 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Libertarian California » Wed May 28, 2014 8:16 am
Merizoc wrote:As I like to say "Getting "facts" about anti-Semitism from ADL is like getting "facts" about slavery from Jefferson Davis."
by Wind in the Willows » Wed May 28, 2014 8:17 am
by Murkwood » Wed May 28, 2014 8:19 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Islamic republiq of Julundar » Wed May 28, 2014 4:20 pm
by Benuty » Wed May 28, 2014 4:31 pm
Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:OP is surprised that Anti-Semitism increases in West Europe.
Tony Blair, minion of the Pope, wrote Immigration Laws so that Refugees from Islamistan would be sent back to be tortured and Terrorists from Islamistan would be welcomed with open arms.
Why is OP surprised that Government does government stuff
by Satanic Socialist States » Wed May 28, 2014 6:17 pm
Stahlarev wrote:Too bad most of them haven't even seen a Jew ever.
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