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by Untaroicht » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:39 am
by Allentyr » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:11 am
Islamic Commune wrote:I have a discussion question, if anyone wants to participate.
Because there is no compulsion in religion in Islam, is it correct to indoctrinate children into Islam? Should children make the final choice once they reach puberty once they want to be a Muslim or not?
I know in Islam, parents have to teach their children about the religion, but to force a child to follow Islam is really not in the ethics of Islam. If I raise a child, I will ask them once they reach 15 whether or not they want to follow Islam or not, and their choice I will accept. What do you guys think about this?
I find that when someone chooses to do something, they are more committed to it, and this applies to religion as well. Those who pledge themselves into Islam when they are mature enough are often more devout than those who were, "born into the faith".
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by The White Horde » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:26 am
Allentyr wrote:Islamic Commune wrote:I have a discussion question, if anyone wants to participate.
Because there is no compulsion in religion in Islam, is it correct to indoctrinate children into Islam? Should children make the final choice once they reach puberty once they want to be a Muslim or not?
I know in Islam, parents have to teach their children about the religion, but to force a child to follow Islam is really not in the ethics of Islam. If I raise a child, I will ask them once they reach 15 whether or not they want to follow Islam or not, and their choice I will accept. What do you guys think about this?
I find that when someone chooses to do something, they are more committed to it, and this applies to religion as well. Those who pledge themselves into Islam when they are mature enough are often more devout than those who were, "born into the faith".
Yes. I believe a child who is born into Islam is not actually Muslim, due to the fact he was born into it unwillingly. He should be given the choice on they reach puberty. However, I highly doubt people would go well with their children refusing to be one and would probably spew "THAT WESTERN DUNG'S IN YER HED AGAIN, HURR DURR!". Some people (my parents)
by The White Horde » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:29 am
Untaroicht wrote:According to TV Tropes, The Koran and other Islamic sources say that djinni (invisible spirits made of fire and the inspiration for genies in Western literature) follow the same religions that humans do — there are Muslim genies, Christian genies, Jewish genies, etc. — and will be judged at the end of time in the same manner that humans will.
I wanted to verify if this was true with islamic theology, or a misinterpretation...
by Islamic Commune » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:36 am
by Hazamaeia » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:25 am
Islamic Commune wrote:The word Genie is not the same as the word Jinn.
From what I know, there are other sentient living beings that are composed of different elements from humans, and those are the Jinn. However, human beings cannot see Jinn, so it is not usually something people discuss. They don't really affect human beings in any way.
So because there are other sentient beings capable of making decisions, yes they can follow Islam or follow other religions. But it is not really our business, because they are not beings we can interact with.
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by Islamic Commune » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:41 pm
by The Legion of War » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:46 am
by Conscentia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:45 am
Islamic Commune wrote:The word Genie is not the same as the word Jinn.
From what I know, there are other sentient living beings that are composed of different elements from humans, and those are the Jinn. However, human beings cannot see Jinn, so it is not usually something people discuss. They don't really affect human beings in any way.
So because there are other sentient beings capable of making decisions, yes they can follow Islam or follow other religions. But it is not really our business, because they are not beings we can interact with.
The jinn (also djinn or genies, Arabic: الجن al-jinn, singular الجني al-jinnī) are supernatural creatures in Islamic and Arabic folklore. They are mentioned frequently in the Qur'an (the 72nd sura is titled Sūrat al-Jinn) and other Islamic texts and inhabit an unseen world in dimensions beyond the visible universe of humans. The Qur'an mentions that the jinn are made of a smokeless and "scorching fire",[1] but are also physical in nature, being able to interfere physically with people and objects and likewise be acted upon.
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by Nervium » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:55 am
Untaroicht wrote:According to TV Tropes, The Koran and other Islamic sources say that djinni (invisible spirits made of fire and the inspiration for genies in Western literature) follow the same religions that humans do — there are Muslim genies, Christian genies, Jewish genies, etc. — and will be judged at the end of time in the same manner that humans will.
I wanted to verify if this was true with islamic theology, or a misinterpretation...
by Totally Not Leningrad Union » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:56 am
Nervium wrote:Untaroicht wrote:According to TV Tropes, The Koran and other Islamic sources say that djinni (invisible spirits made of fire and the inspiration for genies in Western literature) follow the same religions that humans do — there are Muslim genies, Christian genies, Jewish genies, etc. — and will be judged at the end of time in the same manner that humans will.
I wanted to verify if this was true with islamic theology, or a misinterpretation...
I fully support Secular Humanist Genies.
by Ballycolumbia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:19 am
by Ereria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:52 am
The Legion of War wrote:Right, so I have a few questions about Islam.
I've made some Muslim friends this year (mostly from Pakistan, if that makes a difference), and I've heard some things here and there. I'll ask about them here to get a second opinion.
1) I was told there was some weird "point system" where you get "points" for doing good deeds. However, even simple things counted towards the number of "points". I've never heard of this before.
2) How close is Halal to Kosher (what Jews call food that's acceptable to eat)?
3) I've never seen a Qur'an so this is more or less out of curiosity. How much of the Old Testament and New Testament overlap with the Qur'an in terms of content (people, stories, etc)?
by Ballycolumbia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:44 am
Ereria wrote:The Legion of War wrote:Right, so I have a few questions about Islam.
I've made some Muslim friends this year (mostly from Pakistan, if that makes a difference), and I've heard some things here and there. I'll ask about them here to get a second opinion.
1) I was told there was some weird "point system" where you get "points" for doing good deeds. However, even simple things counted towards the number of "points". I've never heard of this before.
2) How close is Halal to Kosher (what Jews call food that's acceptable to eat)?
3) I've never seen a Qur'an so this is more or less out of curiosity. How much of the Old Testament and New Testament overlap with the Qur'an in terms of content (people, stories, etc)?
1) It isn't a point system really, it's just that your good deeds and your bad deeds are written down by the two angles on your shoulder (Kiraman Katibin). If your good deeds overweights your bad deeds, you will be accepted into paradise. It's easier to gain good deeds and it's easier to get rid of bad deeds though. When you do something bad, the angles wait for a moment to let you regret, if you don't it's not written down, but if you do and ask for forgiveness, it's not written down while good deeds are written down at once.
2) Im not sure as Im not Jewish and have not studied their religion
3) The most important person that is named in both religions is of course Jesus ( A.K.A Isa in the Quran) which is considered a prophet and not the son of god in the Quran. It's also other important figures in Quran that is in the Bible, but I can't really remember any atm. You could always do a google search. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Figures+both+in+christianity+and+islam
by Ereria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:53 am
Ballycolumbia wrote:Ereria wrote:
1) It isn't a point system really, it's just that your good deeds and your bad deeds are written down by the two angles on your shoulder (Kiraman Katibin). If your good deeds overweights your bad deeds, you will be accepted into paradise. It's easier to gain good deeds and it's easier to get rid of bad deeds though. When you do something bad, the angles wait for a moment to let you regret, if you don't it's not written down, but if you do and ask for forgiveness, it's not written down while good deeds are written down at once.
2) Im not sure as Im not Jewish and have not studied their religion
3) The most important person that is named in both religions is of course Jesus ( A.K.A Isa in the Quran) which is considered a prophet and not the son of god in the Quran. It's also other important figures in Quran that is in the Bible, but I can't really remember any atm. You could always do a google search. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Figures+both+in+christianity+and+islam
Presume that's meant to be angels in the 1st point. If so, interesting, that must be where the concept of angel and devil on your shoulder comes from.
by Hazamaeia » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:57 pm
The Legion of War wrote:2) How close is Halal to Kosher (what Jews call food that's acceptable to eat)?
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by Constantinopolis » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:09 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:Islam never really had a clerical body like Christianity had, although there were some failed attempts by the Ottomans. To Muslims, their prayers and repentance are directed only towards God, because God is the only one responsible for those.
by Ereria » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:24 am
Constantinopolis wrote:Assalamu alaikum! I didn't realize there was a Muslim discussion thread, too. This is great - I've always wanted to brush up on my knowledge of Islam. So I hope you don't mind if I jump right in with the questions...Islamic Commune wrote:Islam never really had a clerical body like Christianity had, although there were some failed attempts by the Ottomans. To Muslims, their prayers and repentance are directed only towards God, because God is the only one responsible for those.
I've always been curious about this part. I mean, I know that Islam has no clergy, but I don't really understand how that works. For example, who is in charge of the mosques? Who builds them, holds the keys to open them in the morning, and pays the various bills? Do the Muslims in a community elect administrators of some kind to take care of these things? Or is there some other process? And who legally owns a mosque?
I also know that, in Sunni Islam, you have people called imams who "lead the prayers", but are not considered clergy. Again, I would like to know more. What are the duties of a (Sunni) imam, and how does one become an imam? Does every mosque require an imam, or is it optional? Are the religious views of an imam considered to carry some special weight, or is the opinion of an imam equal to the opinion of any Muslim?
And what happens when two influential Muslims (let's say, popular book authors or well-known imams) disagree about some important religious matter? Is there a formal process to decide who is right, or is it like in Protestant Christianity, where the dispute simply never gets settled and the participants just have to agree to disagree (or argue forever)?
Sorry for the barrage of questions!
by Hazamaeia » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:06 am
Constantinopolis wrote:Assalamu alaikum! I didn't realize there was a Muslim discussion thread, too. This is great - I've always wanted to brush up on my knowledge of Islam. So I hope you don't mind if I jump right in with the questions...
I've always been curious about this part. I mean, I know that Islam has no clergy, but I don't really understand how that works. For example, who is in charge of the mosques? Who builds them, holds the keys to open them in the morning, and pays the various bills? Do the Muslims in a community elect administrators of some kind to take care of these things? Or is there some other process? And who legally owns a mosque?
I also know that, in Sunni Islam, you have people called imams who "lead the prayers", but are not considered clergy. Again, I would like to know more. What are the duties of a (Sunni) imam, and how does one become an imam? Does every mosque require an imam, or is it optional? Are the religious views of an imam considered to carry some special weight, or is the opinion of an imam equal to the opinion of any Muslim?
And what happens when two influential Muslims (let's say, popular book authors or well-known imams) disagree about some important religious matter? Is there a formal process to decide who is right, or is it like in Protestant Christianity, where the dispute simply never gets settled and the participants just have to agree to disagree (or argue forever)?
Sorry for the barrage of questions!
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by Ereria » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:52 am
how a verse should be interpreted
by Ballycolumbia » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:57 am
Ereria wrote:how a verse should be interpreted
But the Quran is literal and shouldn't be interpreted in my knowledge. Am I wrong or is this not true?
by Puerto Tyranus » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:06 am
Ereria wrote:how a verse should be interpreted
But the Qur'an is literal and shouldn't be interpreted in my knowledge. Am I wrong or is this not true?
by Virana » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:19 am
Puerto Tyranus wrote:On that same note, how often do you, Islamic members of NS, have to consult the Hadith?
by Constantinopolis » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:01 am
Ereria wrote:But the Quran is literal and shouldn't be interpreted in my knowledge. Am I wrong or is this not true?
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