The closest it comes are the ones purchased for use as VIP government transports. Existing airlifters already fill the other military roles (including MRTT). The government versions will probably get Israeli-style basic anti-missile defenses though.
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by The Akasha Colony » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:21 am
by Imperializt Russia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:25 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Akasha Colony » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:27 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Not even a long-haul troop transporter?
by Dat cua Tien » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:05 am
by Mallaska » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:18 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:28 pm
Dat cua Tien wrote:Can a turboshaft be de-rated like a reciprocating engine can? I'm assuming not because a reciprocating engine is usually de-rated by limiting the revs which is hard to do with turbines, but there's also flat rating which involves a slight de-rate, so I figured I'd double check.
by Triplebaconation » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:38 pm
by Dat cua Tien » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:21 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Dat cua Tien wrote:Can a turboshaft be de-rated like a reciprocating engine can? I'm assuming not because a reciprocating engine is usually de-rated by limiting the revs which is hard to do with turbines, but there's also flat rating which involves a slight de-rate, so I figured I'd double check.
Why would you want it derated? Unlike a reciprocating engine, turbines have fairly narrow efficient power bands; de-rating an engine without redesigning it may push it out of the band and thus sharply decrease efficiency.
by New Vihenia » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:17 pm
Dat cua Tien wrote:Can a turboshaft be de-rated like a reciprocating engine can? I'm assuming not because a reciprocating engine is usually de-rated by limiting the revs which is hard to do with turbines, but there's also flat rating which involves a slight de-rate, so I figured I'd double check.
by Gallia- » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:22 pm
by Vitaphone Racing » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:58 am
Dat cua Tien wrote:Can a turboshaft be de-rated like a reciprocating engine can? I'm assuming not because a reciprocating engine is usually de-rated by limiting the revs which is hard to do with turbines, but there's also flat rating which involves a slight de-rate, so I figured I'd double check.
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by Vitaphone Racing » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:56 am
Oaledonia wrote:How far could one reasonably upgrade (totally redesign) a Phantom to compete with MT multiroles?
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:56 am
Oaledonia wrote:How far could one reasonably upgrade (totally redesign) a Phantom to compete with MT multiroles?
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Anacasppia » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:33 am
Anemos Major wrote:Forty-five men, thirty four tons, one crew cabin... anything could happen.
Mmm... it's getting hot in here.
by Gallia- » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:42 am
Oaledonia wrote:How far could one reasonably upgrade (totally redesign) a Phantom to compete with MT multiroles?
Anacasppia wrote:Funny that you mention that.
I concocted a pretty radical F-4 upgrade for my alt a while back, and as radical as it is, it stopped short of AESA radar. The most notable improvements were a more capable (especially on the air-to-ground front) radar, data linking, more powerful engines, integration with newer munitions, and more comprehensive countermeasures.
And if you expect an upgraded F-4 to come anywhere close to being competitive with modern multiroles, you'll probably want an AESA radar. Which, in my opinion, is going too far for an upgrade of old airframes dating from the 60s.
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by Dat cua Tien » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:20 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Oaledonia wrote:How far could one reasonably upgrade (totally redesign) a Phantom to compete with MT multiroles?
Either the F-4E Kurnass 2000 or the F-4E Terminator 2020. Both Israeli-built.
IAI and Boeing both had their own "Super Phantom" proposals which may be worth looking into.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mc ... I_variants
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:29 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by United States of PA » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:18 pm
Gallia- wrote:Oaledonia wrote:How far could one reasonably upgrade (totally redesign) a Phantom to compete with MT multiroles?
Not very well.
OTOH Mach 3+ Phantom could just turn and run away from any better fighters. Give it a decent AESA radar or something and make it fly at 60,000 at Mach 3. Give it decent missiles and it will be enough to fight stupid F-15s by simply swatting them out of the sky from 100 km I guess.
The air crew would need pressure suits like SR-71, though.
by Gallia- » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:49 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:I assume the "flies like a brick" rhetoric doesn't come from just nowhere.
SR-71s have turning radii variously described as "measured in [US] States", so I can't imagine a Mach 3 Phantom being any better. If you can somehow push it to Mach 3, then a cleaner airframe with the same powerplant could be ridiculously capable.
by Val Nube » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:32 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:I assume the "flies like a brick" rhetoric doesn't come from just nowhere.
SR-71s have turning radii variously described as "measured in [US] States", so I can't imagine a Mach 3 Phantom being any better. If you can somehow push it to Mach 3, then a cleaner airframe with the same powerplant could be ridiculously capable.
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