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by Yakzistan » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:10 am
by Crookfur » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:48 pm
Yakzistan wrote:Thanks for the insight of a modernized MiG-23 MLD going against a export version of the MiG-29, New Vihenia.
Anyways, I plan to use the MiG-23s as second line of defense behind of the MiG-29M and Su-30M which are the front line of defense.
by Felucian Planetary Republic » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:11 am
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by Antarticaria » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:21 am
by Dat cua Tien » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:26 pm
Antarticaria wrote:I found the new thread yay.
Ok, My nations equivalent to scout helicopters...Scout Helicopters:
Name: ARW-52 (Name Is purely made up coincidence is coincidence)
Class: Scout Helicopter
Origin: Antarticaria
Cost: TBD
Size:
Length: 11.9 Meters
Rotor Dia: 10.2 Meters
Height: 2.7 Meters
Max Weight: 3,150 lbs
Unloaded Weight: 2,224 lbs
Engine: 1 × Allison 250-C20B turboshaft, 420 shp
Max Speed: 125 MPH
Use Range: 400 Miles
Armaments:
2x 20 mm Auto-Cannons (900 rounds each of API)
Crew:
One Pilot, 4 Extra
*Edit* Max weight is not weight carried on but weight the helicopter reaches when carrying max capacity.**
by Crookfur » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:26 pm
Antarticaria wrote:I found the new thread yay.
Ok, My nations equivalent to scout helicopters...Scout Helicopters:
Name: ARW-52 (Name Is purely made up coincidence is coincidence)
Class: Scout Helicopter
Origin: Antarticaria
Cost: TBD
Size:
Length: 11.9 Meters
Rotor Dia: 10.2 Meters
Height: 2.7 Meters
Max Weight: 3,150 lbs
Unloaded Weight: 2,224 lbs
Engine: 1 × Allison 250-C20B turboshaft, 420 shp
Max Speed: 125 MPH
Use Range: 400 Miles
Armaments:
2x 20 mm Auto-Cannons (900 rounds each of API)
Crew:
One Pilot, 4 Extra
*Edit* Max weight is not weight carried on but weight the helicopter reaches when carrying max capacity.**
by Britinthia » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:34 pm
by Virana » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:50 pm
Britinthia wrote:F-20, if it was put into production and continually modernised, as the F-16 has been, is it a sensible fighter? Assuming that by 2010-ish it will have been relegated to supporting UCAVs anyway. Also naval variant possible?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
by Dat cua Tien » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:51 pm
Britinthia wrote:F-20, if it was put into production and continually modernised, as the F-16 has been, is it a sensible fighter? Assuming that by 2010-ish it will have been relegated to supporting UCAVs anyway. Also naval variant possible?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
by Britinthia » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:56 pm
Virana wrote:Maybe. Keep in mind it was created as a cheaper, reduced capability F-16 due to Carter's export restrictions. When that died out the plane was overshadowed in the market by the F-16. If continued it might make a decent lightweight, low-cost fighter. JF-17 rings some bells there for comparison.
Dat cua Tien wrote:
The concept today lives on as the FA-50
The F-20 would just be a better version of that, with a slightly smaller payload, so I think it'd be "sensible."
by Dat cua Tien » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:00 pm
Britinthia wrote:Virana wrote:Maybe. Keep in mind it was created as a cheaper, reduced capability F-16 due to Carter's export restrictions. When that died out the plane was overshadowed in the market by the F-16. If continued it might make a decent lightweight, low-cost fighter. JF-17 rings some bells there for comparison.Dat cua Tien wrote:
The concept today lives on as the FA-50
The F-20 would just be a better version of that, with a slightly smaller payload, so I think it'd be "sensible."
That works for me. I have no need for a super-duper stealth fighter that can do everything. I just need a little something to say I have an combat ready air force.
by Virana » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:03 pm
Britinthia wrote:Virana wrote:Maybe. Keep in mind it was created as a cheaper, reduced capability F-16 due to Carter's export restrictions. When that died out the plane was overshadowed in the market by the F-16. If continued it might make a decent lightweight, low-cost fighter. JF-17 rings some bells there for comparison.Dat cua Tien wrote:
The concept today lives on as the FA-50
The F-20 would just be a better version of that, with a slightly smaller payload, so I think it'd be "sensible."
That works for me. I have no need for a super-duper stealth fighter that can do everything. I just need a little something to say I have an combat ready air force.
by Britinthia » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:30 pm
Virana wrote:Britinthia wrote:
That works for me. I have no need for a super-duper stealth fighter that can do everything. I just need a little something to say I have an combat ready air force.
Yeah, as said above, you should get a full sized fighter—something around the size of an F-16, Gripen, or even Eurofighter or Rafale. If you're cash-strapped, use a combination of a few of those with larger numbers of F-20s.
by Dat cua Tien » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:41 pm
Britinthia wrote:Virana wrote:Yeah, as said above, you should get a full sized fighter—something around the size of an F-16, Gripen, or even Eurofighter or Rafale. If you're cash-strapped, use a combination of a few of those with larger numbers of F-20s.
Well I have UCAVs (non autonomous) to do the dirty work, which I reckon will have replaced a manned fighter in the 2005-2010 area. Probably a tornado or other obsolete European fighter. F-20s are just there to back them up and provide an up-close human presence to help pilots on the ground.
If you are wondering about UCAVs suitability in MT, I refer you to this study, which taking into account Britinthia is a fictional nation with different aims, interests and cultural values to the U.S. I don't see any reason it cannot be possible.
http://www.cosmicscribbler.com/erau/Res ... ityUAV.pdf
by The Corparation » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:43 pm
Britinthia wrote:Virana wrote:Yeah, as said above, you should get a full sized fighter—something around the size of an F-16, Gripen, or even Eurofighter or Rafale. If you're cash-strapped, use a combination of a few of those with larger numbers of F-20s.
Well I have UCAVs (non autonomous) to do the dirty work, which I reckon will have replaced a manned fighter in the 2005-2010 area. Probably a tornado or other obsolete European fighter. F-20s are just there to back them up and provide an up-close human presence to help pilots on the ground.
If you are wondering about UCAVs suitability in MT, I refer you to this study, which taking into account Britinthia is a fictional nation with different aims, interests and cultural values to the U.S. I don't see any reason it cannot be possible.
http://www.cosmicscribbler.com/erau/Res ... ityUAV.pdf
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by Britinthia » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:02 pm
"Situational Awareness will be able to meet the requirements in the near future with few advances in technology, but the ability will be expensive due to the number of sensors that are required and the amount of processing or bandwidth required (depending on the level of autonomous operation) will be high."
by Imperializt Russia » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:19 pm
Antarticaria wrote:I found the new thread yay.
Ok, My nations equivalent to scout helicopters...Scout Helicopters:
Name: ARW-52 (Name Is purely made up coincidence is coincidence)
Class: Scout Helicopter
Origin: Antarticaria
Cost: TBD
Size:
Length: 11.9 Meters
Rotor Dia: 10.2 Meters
Height: 2.7 Meters
Max Weight: 3,150 lbs
Unloaded Weight: 2,224 lbs
Engine: 1 × Allison 250-C20B turboshaft, 420 shp
Max Speed: 125 MPH
Use Range: 400 Miles
Armaments:
2x 20 mm Auto-Cannons (900 rounds each of API)
Crew:
One Pilot, 4 Extra
*Edit* Max weight is not weight carried on but weight the helicopter reaches when carrying max capacity.**
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Corparation » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:34 pm
Britinthia wrote:Dates can be altered, 2015-2020, see I did it right there, but UCAVs have been in service long before that study was written. It states that only two things stand in the way of UCAVs;"Situational Awareness will be able to meet the requirements in the near future with few advances in technology, but the ability will be expensive due to the number of sensors that are required and the amount of processing or bandwidth required (depending on the level of autonomous operation) will be high."
Situational awareness, which it even goes as far as to say can be overcome with enough investment in the appropriate technology,
Lack of real-time control, which can be overcome with enough R&D in appropriate fields and more likely, not using them on the other side of the globe without someone on the ground (or better still, a carrier) to operate them.
The jump from blowing up insurgents in the desert to enemy aircraft isn't that big if you are that way inclined. Logical, no. Possible, yes.
..autonomous operation of the whole aircraft is the only factor that poses a seemingly impassable problem.Air combat is too sophisticated for any foreseeable technology to be able to handle.
Computers are methodical and do the same thing every time. Any unforeseeable situation would be impossible for an autonomous system to overcome. A pilot controlling the plane is, at this stage, the more practical way although it does introduce control latency
Recommendations
Based on the findings of this report, it is recommended that the United States Air Force continue development of unmanned vehicles for use as air-superiority craft.It is also concluded that unmanned air-superiority fighters alone will not be sufficient. Manned and unmanned fighters should be used together to
most efficiently achieve air-superiority. By this method, the decision-making skills needed from the human operators, the efficiency, and the safety of the unmanned systems can be utilized to effectively suppress enemy air activity.
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by Britinthia » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:01 pm
The Corparation wrote:Its almost as if you didn't bother reading the study's abstract, conclusion and recomendations . A.K.A. the three parts of the study that tell you everything you need to know. You at least started to read the conclusion as you quoted the first sentence. Unfortunately that seems to have been where you stopped reading...autonomous operation of the whole aircraft is the only factor that poses a seemingly impassable problem.Air combat is too sophisticated for any foreseeable technology to be able to handle.
Computers are methodical and do the same thing every time. Any unforeseeable situation would be impossible for an autonomous system to overcome. A pilot controlling the plane is, at this stage, the more practical way although it does introduce control latency
This is literally two sentences after what you quoted.
And of course you completely missed the recommendations:Recommendations
Based on the findings of this report, it is recommended that the United States Air Force continue development of unmanned vehicles for use as air-superiority craft.It is also concluded that unmanned air-superiority fighters alone will not be sufficient. Manned and unmanned fighters should be used together to
most efficiently achieve air-superiority. By this method, the decision-making skills needed from the human operators, the efficiency, and the safety of the unmanned systems can be utilized to effectively suppress enemy air activity.
by Antarticaria » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:47 pm
Dat cua Tien wrote:Antarticaria wrote:I found the new thread yay.
Ok, My nations equivalent to scout helicopters...Scout Helicopters:
Name: ARW-52 (Name Is purely made up coincidence is coincidence)
Class: Scout Helicopter
Origin: Antarticaria
Cost: TBD
Size:
Length: 11.9 Meters
Rotor Dia: 10.2 Meters
Height: 2.7 Meters
Max Weight: 3,150 lbs
Unloaded Weight: 2,224 lbs
Engine: 1 × Allison 250-C20B turboshaft, 420 shp
Max Speed: 125 MPH
Use Range: 400 Miles
Armaments:
2x 20 mm Auto-Cannons (900 rounds each of API)
Crew:
One Pilot, 4 Extra
*Edit* Max weight is not weight carried on but weight the helicopter reaches when carrying max capacity.**
Might I suggest sticking with one measurement system, for congruence's sake?
Your engine is quite small for the weights you're claiming.
Dimensionally, it's larger than it needs to be.
Range is optimistic as your engine is small for your unloaded weight, making your fuel capacity pretty low.
Is the speed arbitrarily limited because of the engine? It could be an extra 40mph, compared to other designs of the same size.
Your armament is quite limiting, and will be fairly heavy for what limited capability you have. You only need one cannon, especially for a helicopter this small. Two guns would be more along the line of a 7.62 or 12.7. 1800 rounds will be a heavy, and your bird will rarely, if ever, be able to shoot it all. Some of the modern helicopters for this class will use a large caliber but lightweight autocannon (such as a 30x113mm) as it's lightweight, multipurpose, and gives you a good HE capability. A standard loadout of API also would indicate it's supposed to be an anti-armor helicopter, at which point you should be using hardpoints and missiles instead. That also gives you a multipurpose capability, and it might even be worth it to make your autocannon options strictly with gunpods, removing the weight for the chin-turret and giving you more payload capacity for other missions.
Is there a specific IRL helicopter you were modeling it after?
by New Vihenia » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:01 am
by Felucian Planetary Republic » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:32 am
FNN NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT: The dataDyne Corporation has announced plans to create an international armaments storefront with permission from various companies within the Republic to use their products in this storefront in return for a varying percentage of earnings from these products. More information will be given when the company releases more statements on their plans for the storefront.
by Mallaska » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:02 am
by The Akasha Colony » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:19 pm
by Imperializt Russia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:12 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
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