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by Nightkill the Emperor » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:35 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Alleniana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:38 pm
by Alleniana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:45 pm
Fraire wrote:Oh, man. What have I done?
I swear my rhyming is officially done.
by Alleniana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:49 pm
Fraire wrote:hypocrite
by Nightkill the Emperor » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:49 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Seljuq Kyiv » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:21 pm
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:In 1824, the Ottoman Empire crushes the Greek War of Independence, setting up ripples through European, — and soon, world — history.
For its help in the war, Egypt gains Morea and Crete but not Syria. Wins the First Egyptian-Ottoman War, but stops at Konya after British gunboat diplomacy. Thousands of Greek slaves are deported to Egypt and replaced with Arab settlers. Syria chafes under Egyptian modernisation.
Egypt forced to give up Syria and the Hejaz in Second Egyptian-Ottoman War after European threat of military intervention. Keeps Morea, Crete, gains Cyprus and several freedoms, including the ability to contract foreign loans. France, which initially intervened on Egypt's behalf militarily for Greece and Syrian Catholics, gets a dose of British gunboat diplomacy, backing down and compelled by treaty never to intervene in Egyptian affairs again.
The Suez Canal is not constructed. Egyptian floating debt butterflied, replaced by foreign loan of several million in modernisation costs. Britain remains apprehensive.
***
Now, are there any problems with this hypothesis? Where do I go from here? What are the possible ramifications? Without the Suez Canal, how would the Scramble for Africa have turned out? Is there enough squeeze room for a French-backed Shogun victory in the Boshin War? How about a Belgian invasion of the Philippines during the Carlist Revolutions?
More importantly, how do I get to the WWI-era endgame where a British-German-Ottoman Triple Alliance faces a French-Russian-Italian Entente? Would it have been the Ottomans or Austria on Germany's side? Would Italy have committed to this new Entente?
by Alleniana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:27 pm
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Seljuq Kyiv wrote:In 1824, the Ottoman Empire crushes the Greek War of Independence, setting up ripples through European, — and soon, world — history.
For its help in the war, Egypt gains Morea and Crete but not Syria. Wins the First Egyptian-Ottoman War, but stops at Konya after British gunboat diplomacy. Thousands of Greek slaves are deported to Egypt and replaced with Arab settlers. Syria chafes under Egyptian modernisation.
Egypt forced to give up Syria and the Hejaz in Second Egyptian-Ottoman War after European threat of military intervention. Keeps Morea, Crete, gains Cyprus and several freedoms, including the ability to contract foreign loans. France, which initially intervened on Egypt's behalf militarily for Greece and Syrian Catholics, gets a dose of British gunboat diplomacy, backing down and compelled by treaty never to intervene in Egyptian affairs again.
The Suez Canal is not constructed. Egyptian floating debt butterflied, replaced by foreign loan of several million in modernisation costs. Britain remains apprehensive.
***
Now, are there any problems with this hypothesis? Where do I go from here? What are the possible ramifications? Without the Suez Canal, how would the Scramble for Africa have turned out? Is there enough squeeze room for a French-backed Shogun victory in the Boshin War? How about a Belgian invasion of the Philippines during the Carlist Revolutions?
More importantly, how do I get to the WWI-era endgame where a British-German-Ottoman Triple Alliance faces a French-Russian-Italian Entente? Would it have been the Ottomans or Austria on Germany's side? Would Italy have committed to this new Entente?
What about a Dutch Benelux?
And more importantly, any budding mapmakers?
by Seljuq Kyiv » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:42 pm
by Alleniana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:47 pm
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Alleniana wrote:Seems rather arbitrary, and rather focused on the east Mediterranean.
Because that is only the POD. A series of PODs is possible, though I'd like just one for now.
Trying to figure out what happens next. France being closed to North Africa and Asia (for the time being) means it has more resources to throw at in the Americas, especially Mexico. Which gives it a closer eye on Panama, and when de Lesseps sooner or later builds the Panama Canal, the Pacific is open to French enroachment.
The new frontier is no longer Africa, but the Orient... Again.
by Altito Asmoro » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:05 pm
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Seljuq Kyiv wrote:In 1824, the Ottoman Empire crushes the Greek War of Independence, setting up ripples through European, — and soon, world — history.
For its help in the war, Egypt gains Morea and Crete but not Syria. Wins the First Egyptian-Ottoman War, but stops at Konya after British gunboat diplomacy. Thousands of Greek slaves are deported to Egypt and replaced with Arab settlers. Syria chafes under Egyptian modernisation.
Egypt forced to give up Syria and the Hejaz in Second Egyptian-Ottoman War after European threat of military intervention. Keeps Morea, Crete, gains Cyprus and several freedoms, including the ability to contract foreign loans. France, which initially intervened on Egypt's behalf militarily for Greece and Syrian Catholics, gets a dose of British gunboat diplomacy, backing down and compelled by treaty never to intervene in Egyptian affairs again.
The Suez Canal is not constructed. Egyptian floating debt butterflied, replaced by foreign loan of several million in modernisation costs. Britain remains apprehensive.
***
Now, are there any problems with this hypothesis? Where do I go from here? What are the possible ramifications? Without the Suez Canal, how would the Scramble for Africa have turned out? Is there enough squeeze room for a French-backed Shogun victory in the Boshin War? How about a Belgian invasion of the Philippines during the Carlist Revolutions?
More importantly, how do I get to the WWI-era endgame where a British-German-Ottoman Triple Alliance faces a French-Russian-Italian Entente? Would it have been the Ottomans or Austria on Germany's side? Would Italy have committed to this new Entente?
What about a Dutch Benelux?
And more importantly, any budding mapmakers?
by Agritum » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:06 pm
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:No, genuinely, let's stop.
Fraire, I'll be perfectly blunt with you. Mature. Your current attitude of poor spelling, acting "mad and manic" and generally trying to make yourself the centre of attention is not very appealing. It's a trend throughout your whole posting history in P2TM and A&F. For your own sake and I say this as personal and Mentor advice, stop and grow up beyond that.
by Seljuq Kyiv » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:19 pm
Alleniana wrote:Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Because that is only the POD. A series of PODs is possible, though I'd like just one for now.
Trying to figure out what happens next. France being closed to North Africa and Asia (for the time being) means it has more resources to throw at in the Americas, especially Mexico. Which gives it a closer eye on Panama, and when de Lesseps sooner or later builds the Panama Canal, the Pacific is open to French enroachment.
The new frontier is no longer Africa, but the Orient... Again.
Hmm...
Why not? North Africa is hardly all Africa.
by Alleniana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:21 pm
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Alleniana wrote:Hmm...
Why not? North Africa is hardly all Africa.
A scramble for Africa is still possible, and I'd like a Fashoda Incident in the Niger. I imagine, however, that Leopold II would most likely go for the Philippines as he had originally planned, so there goes a mad landgrab for a time.
In the event of an Ottoman victory in the Greek Revolt, followed by a victory in the Crimean War, there is now little to stop the Tanzimat, which will give the needed tap to swing a close Russian victory to a close Ottoman victory and industrialisation on par with Italy. Russia and Austria continue to be strong allies as they do not fight for supremacy in the Balkans. The Dreikaiserbund is renewed and stays strong.
Which means Britain, France, Italy vs Germany, Austria, Russia, unless the Austrians and the Russians wouldn't have been on good terms anyway after the Crimean War.
I just need to establish the partition of Africa.
by Grenartia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:08 am
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by Alleniana » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:12 am
by Seljuq Kyiv » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:13 am
Alleniana wrote:I, once, half-asleep, thought of a rhyme for orange. I fell asleep, and promptly never remembered it again.
by Alleniana » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:17 am
by Swith Witherward » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:55 am
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:No, genuinely, let's stop.
Fraire, I'll be perfectly blunt with you. Mature. Your current attitude of poor spelling, acting "mad and manic" and generally trying to make yourself the centre of attention is not very appealing. It's a trend throughout your whole posting history in P2TM and A&F. For your own sake and I say this as personal and Mentor advice, stop and grow up beyond that.
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