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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:29 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
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Its the same reason we use terms like Asian-American or Mexican-American. These people may not have a direct tie to their ancestral home, but its part of their heritage.

It's like calling me French


I mean, they're American. But since their ancestry ties them to Africa, I fail to see what's so problematic about them wanting that added to their identity.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:31 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:It's like calling me French


I mean, they're American. But since their ancestry ties them to Africa, I fail to see what's so problematic about them wanting that added to their identity.

They have no connections to Africa
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Postby Ozzy » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:33 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
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If they like the "African-American" label, there is no reason they shouldn't use it.


Wouldn't it be a weird weird world if we asked people what they wanted to be called and them called them it?

Isn't that how the world already works? If a group demands to be called whatever they may prefer, then the rest of society usually labels them as such.
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Postby God Kefka » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:35 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
God Kefka wrote:Well I think it's simply that whites are a majority collectively. Hence you don't need to say, ''European American.'' The default American is white.

There may have been a colored Nazi soldier but when I say Nazi soldier, you immediately imagine a white soldier. The default position, the commonality of the majority, should not need special mention.

Let's be honest here... if someone said to me ''imagine an American right now.'' I'm most definitely imagining a white person...

With a beer belly and screaming "'Murica!"


I did imagine the beer belly part I'll confess...
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:35 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I mean, they're American. But since their ancestry ties them to Africa, I fail to see what's so problematic about them wanting that added to their identity.

They have no connections to Africa


Ancestraly, they do.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:37 pm

God Kefka wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:With a beer belly and screaming "'Murica!"


I did imagine the beer belly part I'll confess...

Redneck randall is what I think. Then with Canada I think a forest park ranger. Then with UK I think chavs. Then with Australia I think surfers.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:38 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:They have no connections to Africa


Ancestraly, they do.

That's like me calling myself a French-American because some ancestors went from France 400 years into Quebec and then into NYC.
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Do not refer to me as "white" or "caucasian", I am French-American
Colbert Super PAC wrote:GOD HATES FAGS!!!!!!!1111

Which means we should ban smoking.

Frisivisia wrote:Yeah, political correctness is for black pussy liberal faggots, and don't you get offended.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:39 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ancestraly, they do.

That's like me calling myself a French-American because some ancestors went from France 400 years into Quebec and then into NYC.

...Why not?

Seriously, why the fuck not? Is there a law against this or what?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:41 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ancestraly, they do.

That's like me calling myself a French-American because some ancestors went from France 400 years into Quebec and then into NYC.


I don't oppose that. If you feel it's a part of your identity, who am I to tell you otherwise? If I have kids, and they want to be referred to as Spanish-American, is that objectionable? I don't think so.

Black people in the US feel strongly enough about their African ancestry, they want it to be a part of who they are.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:41 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:That's like me calling myself a French-American because some ancestors went from France 400 years into Quebec and then into NYC.

...Why not?

Seriously, why the fuck not? Is there a law against this or what?

I'll do it.
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I am 埃里克, the god of sesame seed chicken
Do not refer to me as "white" or "caucasian", I am French-American
Colbert Super PAC wrote:GOD HATES FAGS!!!!!!!1111

Which means we should ban smoking.

Frisivisia wrote:Yeah, political correctness is for black pussy liberal faggots, and don't you get offended.

San wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Nein. I would drink antifreeze for u doe. <3

true love <3

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:42 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:That's like me calling myself a French-American because some ancestors went from France 400 years into Quebec and then into NYC.


I don't oppose that. If you feel it's a part of your identity, who am I to tell you otherwise? If I have kids, and they want to be referred to as Spanish-American, is that objectionable? I don't think so.

Black people in the US feel strongly enough about their African ancestry, they want it to be a part of who they are.

I guess I will want my kids to be Swedish-Israelis.
I'm blocked from sending TGs for a dumb reason so add me on skype if you want to chat privately, my name is epik.epimetheus or visit my home if you want to chat publicly

I am 埃里克, the god of sesame seed chicken
Do not refer to me as "white" or "caucasian", I am French-American
Colbert Super PAC wrote:GOD HATES FAGS!!!!!!!1111

Which means we should ban smoking.

Frisivisia wrote:Yeah, political correctness is for black pussy liberal faggots, and don't you get offended.

San wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Nein. I would drink antifreeze for u doe. <3

true love <3

NEO Rome Republic wrote:I prefer Mexicans, I like having a clean lawn. :p

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:42 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:...Why not?

Seriously, why the fuck not? Is there a law against this or what?

I'll do it.

Go for it.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:43 pm

It's a way of indicating that much like Irish immigrants, Italian immigrants, Polish immigrants, and those from throughout the world, the slaves who were brought over on the ships had their own cultural heritage, beliefs, songs, stories, and values, ones that they brought with them on their journey. Unfortunately, due to concerted efforts on the parts of their "owners", much of this rich history was lost over time. This is simply an attempt to reclaim it. I'm not sure why anyone is bothered in the slightest over this.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:44 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I don't oppose that. If you feel it's a part of your identity, who am I to tell you otherwise? If I have kids, and they want to be referred to as Spanish-American, is that objectionable? I don't think so.

Black people in the US feel strongly enough about their African ancestry, they want it to be a part of who they are.

I guess I will want my kids to be Swedish-Israelis.


If they identify as such, I fail to see the problem.
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Postby God Kefka » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:48 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
I did imagine the beer belly part I'll confess...

Redneck randall is what I think. Then with Canada I think a forest park ranger. Then with UK I think chavs. Then with Australia I think surfers.


what's a chav?

The other ones are pretty close to my stereotypes too...
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:48 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:I'll do it.

Go for it.

Check my sig.
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I am 埃里克, the god of sesame seed chicken
Do not refer to me as "white" or "caucasian", I am French-American
Colbert Super PAC wrote:GOD HATES FAGS!!!!!!!1111

Which means we should ban smoking.

Frisivisia wrote:Yeah, political correctness is for black pussy liberal faggots, and don't you get offended.

San wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Nein. I would drink antifreeze for u doe. <3

true love <3

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:48 pm

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It would be different. People would stop telling me I am not a real Nazi.


If it'll make you feel better, I think it's to prevent them from holding Nazis in higher regard. You do kind of upset the curve. :)


And to think I used to get complaints from serious Nazis who thought I was making them look bad...

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Postby Utceforp » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:50 pm

It's convenient. When discussing the history and/or current situation of the slaves brought to the Americas from Africa, their descendants, or more recent immigrants, what other term are you going to use?
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:51 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
If they like the "African-American" label, there is no reason they shouldn't use it.

It's like me calling myself French because my grandfather's parents are from Quebec.


You could if you felt an emotional attachment to that heritage.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:51 pm

Utceforp wrote:It's convenient. When discussing the history and/or current situation of the slaves brought to the Americas from Africa, or their descendants, what other term are you going to use?

Mars American.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:52 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:It's like me calling myself French because my grandfather's parents are from Quebec.


You could if you felt an emotional attachment to that heritage.

The only nationality attachments I have is Sweden and I'm a citizen.
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Do not refer to me as "white" or "caucasian", I am French-American
Colbert Super PAC wrote:GOD HATES FAGS!!!!!!!1111

Which means we should ban smoking.

Frisivisia wrote:Yeah, political correctness is for black pussy liberal faggots, and don't you get offended.

San wrote:
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true love <3

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Postby Nanzheng » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:54 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I mean, they're American. But since their ancestry ties them to Africa, I fail to see what's so problematic about them wanting that added to their identity.

They have no connections to Africa


That's presumptuous as hell. There is a non insignificant percentage of blacks who have African names, celebrate African holidays, have traced back their family line to Africa, etc.

So who are you to say they have no connection to Africa?

Secondly, their ancestral point of origin is fairly important in describing their history in this country. And it unfortunately continues to play a role in how they are perceived and treated to this day. As others have mentioned, they have a distinct culture or sub-culture within the broader current of American culture, and many elements of that culture can be traced back to their African heritage (Blues as a musical genre, for example, can be traced back to certain West African musical forms). Educate yourself.

As for myself I tend to use "Black" or "People/Person of Color".

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:57 pm

God Kefka wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Redneck randall is what I think. Then with Canada I think a forest park ranger. Then with UK I think chavs. Then with Australia I think surfers.


what's a chav?

The other ones are pretty close to my stereotypes too...


I can't think about Australia without thinking of the Crocodile Hunter. I'm sure the average person in Sydney doesn't go mucking around wrestling crocodiles, but that's still the first mental image that comes to mind.

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Postby Cetacea » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:58 pm

God Kefka wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Redneck randall is what I think. Then with Canada I think a forest park ranger. Then with UK I think chavs. Then with Australia I think surfers.


what's a chav?

The other ones are pretty close to my stereotypes too...


Ever seen Ali G, he's a chav
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Suprised Australians are associated with surfers rather than the Dundee/Steve Irwin style Bushman.

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Postby Nanzheng » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:02 am

Leningrad Union wrote:It's like me calling myself French because my grandfather's parents are from Quebec.


There are some people with that background who might describe themselves as French. So what? Who are you to say they have no claim to that? If they still have a French last name, and speak French, and go out of their way to call attention to their French background, wouldn't you and most people start thinking of them as "French"?

One's Identity is at least partially determined by what one wants to be - it is formed out of the somewhat blurry intersection between how you choose to identify yourself and how others perceive you.

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