Why atheists must believe in God

[Len Hyet]

I think, therefore I am

Ergo: Even if all of you are figments of my imagination (which must be an absolutely fantastic imagination if I've imagined all this crap) it doesn't matter. I do not need to be sure the object exists, because everything I know tells me it exists.

I think, therefore something thinking is. This "something" might be me.

If, for example, someone dreams of a person who thinks that they are, then the only one existing is still the dreaming person.

Can you tell what someone else is thinking? Of course not. You only know what you are thinking. Ergo, the only person who must be real, is yourself.

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

Just another reason why people will ridicule Christians. My bum is real, if its not, God might not be real. I still believe in him though.

[Shilya]

I think, therefore something thinking is. This "something" might be me.

If, for example, someone dreams of a person who thinks that they are, then the only one existing is still the dreaming person.

Can you tell what someone else is thinking? Of course not. You only know what you are thinking. Ergo, the only person who must be real, is yourself.

I can't and you can't, but maybe the one who dreams of me and you can. Meaning, your thoughts are not actually your thoughts, your belief that they are is just part of the invention/dream of someone else.

[Divair]

I lost track at the part where you said atheists must believe in god.

Let me translate:
"Atheists accept reality, thus they must be Christian because god."

Or something along those lines. I'm not quite sure what the OP was thinking when he posted this thread.

[Len Hyet]

Just another reason why people will ridicule Christians Ultra Conservative Amoral Christians. My bum is real, if its not, God might not be real. I still believe in him though.

Most people don't ridicule Christians who don't espouse stupid things like "Gays are evil" or "God hates Fags" or "Evolution is a lie"

[Len Hyet]

Can you tell what someone else is thinking? Of course not. You only know what you are thinking. Ergo, the only person who must be real, is yourself.

I can't and you can't, but maybe the one who dreams of me and you can. Meaning, your thoughts are not actually your thoughts, your belief that they are is just part of the invention/dream of someone else.

Oh god

Am I real?

Are any of us real?

I CAN'T HANDLE THIS KIND OF PRESSURE

[Shilya]

I can't and you can't, but maybe the one who dreams of me and you can. Meaning, your thoughts are not actually your thoughts, your belief that they are is just part of the invention/dream of someone else.

Oh god

Am I real?

Are any of us real?

I CAN'T HANDLE THIS KIND OF PRESSURE

And this is why skepticism leads nowhere.

By the way, to give credit where it's due, my argument isn't actually mine, it's just a rephrasing of Kierkegaard's critique.

[Temujinn]

If you ask an atheist why they disavow belief in God, they will undoubtably cite either their reason or science. Here are some thing that need to be around in order for science to make sense. Possibly the most basic of these Absolute truth (Truth being that which conforms to reality)

Science can tell us almost any trait we want to know about anything, it can tell us the size, shape, weight, color, temperature, density and even the molecular structure of an object, but none of these things even matter if we can not be sure that the object even exists. Science is irrelevant if absolute truth does not exist.

The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it. It is ironic that those who say their alleged disbelief in God is based on reason have absolutely no reason to believe in the very things on which they base their reason!

What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.

First, science has nothing to do with Atheism. Absence of proof is the basis for Atheism, nothing more- nothing less.

Truth =/= Fact
Science engages in Facts, not Truths.

I am a christian, I have faith. I reeeealllllyyyy want Atheists to become believers. That being said, I as a flawed human being do not have the ability to give them that which they require, proof. Not a cute argument.
The issue here is that arguments do not count as proof. A sound argument is not evidence for or against something.

Science additionally never deals in true absolutes-- it deals in "facts as presently known", all scientists live with the "this is subject to change" hanging over them, as a matter of fact the joy of science is the very fact that in science anything can be subject to change, that knew understandings based on observations can indeed rewrite the entire scope of what we "know".

You sir, are in absolute error including science in this discussion at all.

These threads are so tiresome.

[Alexannbggg]

RELIGION IS SILLY (THOUGH IT IS VERY INTERESTING)

[Len Hyet]

RELIGION IS SILLY (THOUGH IT IS VERY INTERESTING)

WHY ARE WE YELLING

[Ragnarum]

If you ask an atheist why they disavow belief in God, they will undoubtably cite either their reason or science. Here are some thing that need to be around in order for science to make sense. Possibly the most basic of these Absolute truth (Truth being that which conforms to reality)

Science can tell us almost any trait we want to know about anything, it can tell us the size, shape, weight, color, temperature, density and even the molecular structure of an object, but none of these things even matter if we can not be sure that the object even exists. Science is irrelevant if absolute truth does not exist.

The entire study of any science depends on truth being absolute, but their is no atheistic justification for believing in it. It is ironic that those who say their alleged disbelief in God is based on reason have absolutely no reason to believe in the very things on which they base their reason!

What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think it makes a lot of sense.

First, science has nothing to do with Atheism. Absence of proof is the basis for Atheism, nothing more- nothing less.

Truth =/= Fact
Science engages in Facts, not Truths.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

[Divair]

First, science has nothing to do with Atheism. Absence of proof is the basis for Atheism, nothing more- nothing less.

Truth =/= Fact
Science engages in Facts, not Truths.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I don't see what's so confusing about his post.

[Edward Richtofen]

Existence is impossible to grasp a complete understanding of therefor Christian monotheism

[Ragnarum]

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I don't see what's so confusing about his post.

No, no. I get it now.

I think.

Nevermind.

[Temujinn]

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I don't see what's so confusing about his post.

I thought it was pretty clear, if a little scatter brained and verbose.

[Kyuji]

Im an atheist and an anti-theist , in otherwords while i believe that there is in fact no god , i do believe in the possibility of a god , and that because it (the judeo-christian-islamic)is a cruel terrible god , it should be hated and fought against rather then worshiped and adored.

[Temujinn]

I don't see what's so confusing about his post.

No, no. I get it now.

I think.

Nevermind.

I see no point in genuinely arguing with the OP, because it would just be an empty argument, and his entire post is based on erroneous premises about both Atheism and Science-- then he just lumps some other shit in and calls it a reason for Atheists to believe. I was merely trying to point him towards the errors in his own assumptions about both Science and Atheism.

[Death Metal]

By the OP's logic:

-Communists are big fans of capitalism
-Anarchists believe in the necessity of the state
-Vegans fucking love to eat meat.
-Christians actually worship Satan.
-Homosexual men all like to sleep with women.

[Edward Richtofen]

By the OP's logic:

-Communists are big fans of capitalism
-Anarchists believe in the necessity of the state
-Vegans fucking love to eat meat.
-Christians actually worship Satan.
-Homosexual men all like to sleep with women.

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[Nervium]

Truth can not be absolute, seeing that "truth" is a difficult concept to grasp, this being especially true for "absolute" truth.

[Nervium]

Existence is impossible to grasp a complete understanding of therefor Christian monotheism

By this statement, existentialism was buried in a silver coffin with a stake through it's heart.

[The United Brony Armies]

Im not even going to allow myself to get started on this

[Lipnitia]

I agree with OP. They must at least have one spark of hope that there's a deity somwhere out there. Science can't figure out who we are until this day...

[Kyuji]

I agree with OP. They must at least have one spark of hope that there's a deity somwhere out there. Science can't figure out who we are until this day...

Hope?

[Hindenburgia]

I agree with OP. They must at least have one spark of hope that there's a deity somwhere out there.

Why's that?

Science can't figure out who we are until this day...

I'm not sure what you mean by this or what relevance it might have. Care to elaborate?