Considering the fire and brimstone damnation is a severe doctrinal mutation he still would have shared.
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by Benuty » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:43 am
by Irredento » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:49 am
Menassa wrote:Irredento wrote:That's not the point. I do not want to upset God regardless of what might happen to me. The things I have suffered in my life are nothing compared to the pain He suffered on the cross for our sins.
Not really going to evaluate the pain you've suffered with the pain of your God.
Saludong wrote:I think Eastern Catholicism is the same with Eastern Orthodoxy except that its in communion with the Pope.
by Uieurnthlaal » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:06 am
Leningrad Union wrote:Is Jesuis Christ the French Jesus?
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by Uieurnthlaal » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:11 am
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:20 pm
Grenartia wrote:Bundesdeutschland wrote:Again, I reiterate. Evangelizing itself isn't inherently bad; in this case, it's just telling others the Good News and spreading. That's another one of our duties besides acting as an example to others. It's the recipient's choice whether to listen or believe or not. However, when people start becoming like the Spanish Inquisition, that's when it gets too far. (I know I'm toning it up a bit much but hopefully you get my point.) Really as long as you tell the Good News in the way it should (through love and compassion) then it's sure to work.
And again, I reiterate that actively trying to convert people goes against that Golden Rule that Jesus preached about.
by Grenartia » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:03 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Grenartia wrote:
And again, I reiterate that actively trying to convert people goes against that Golden Rule that Jesus preached about.
Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.
by Blasveck » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:06 pm
Grenartia wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.
But the Golden Rule tells us to do unto others as we'd have them do unto us. Would anybody here actually say they'd appreciate having somebody actively try to get them to change their religious beliefs?
by Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:16 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Grenartia wrote:
And again, I reiterate that actively trying to convert people goes against that Golden Rule that Jesus preached about.
Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.
by Grenartia » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:17 pm
Blasveck wrote:Grenartia wrote:
But the Golden Rule tells us to do unto others as we'd have them do unto us. Would anybody here actually say they'd appreciate having somebody actively try to get them to change their religious beliefs?
If I'm not mistaken, isn't it Catholic (or some other 'popular' denomination) doctrine that conversion is upon the person themselves to convert, not the already faithful believers to convert others?
by Blasveck » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:21 pm
by Menassa » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:47 pm
Irredento wrote:Menassa wrote:Not really going to evaluate the pain you've suffered with the pain of your God.
There is nothing I could do with my life that could possibly match not only the pain but the self-sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. Absolutely nothing.
The best I can hope to do is be Christlike whenever possible and also emulate the Blessed Virgin Mary in my daily life. It is for this reason that I wear a scapular at all times bearing the image of Blessed Saint Maximilian Kolbe with whom I feel a strong affinity due to my past as not only a Freemason but someone who dabbled with Crowley-inspired "magick" and also as a former drug user. The brown scapular bearing his image is a constant reminder of how I should live and to whom it is that I owe my continued life and the happiness with which I live it now that I have left paganism behind and no longer have a drug problem.
"Immaculata, Queen and Mother of the Church, I renew my consecration to you this day and for always, so that you may use me for the coming of the Kingdom of Jesus in the whole world. To this end, I offer you all my prayers, actions, and sacrifices of this day. Amen."
Irredento wrote:Menassa wrote:Then let the world be without sin?
Would you prefer that we have no free will and therefore no risk of sinning?
Life without free will is, to me, not life at all but more like a play with a pretedermined beginning, middle, and end in which the actors are trapped all their lives.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:17 pm
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.
But not everyone see's it as a message of love.
Grenartia wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.
But the Golden Rule tells us to do unto others as we'd have them do unto us. Would anybody here actually say they'd appreciate having somebody actively try to get them to change their religious beliefs?
by Menassa » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:21 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:[...] Thus spreading the message is good. So, by evangelizing you are doing Good, which ultimately is what the Golden Rule is all about. Do good to others.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:23 pm
Menassa wrote:Irredento wrote:There is nothing I could do with my life that could possibly match not only the pain but the self-sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. Absolutely nothing.
The best I can hope to do is be Christlike whenever possible and also emulate the Blessed Virgin Mary in my daily life. It is for this reason that I wear a scapular at all times bearing the image of Blessed Saint Maximilian Kolbe with whom I feel a strong affinity due to my past as not only a Freemason but someone who dabbled with Crowley-inspired "magick" and also as a former drug user. The brown scapular bearing his image is a constant reminder of how I should live and to whom it is that I owe my continued life and the happiness with which I live it now that I have left paganism behind and no longer have a drug problem.
"Immaculata, Queen and Mother of the Church, I renew my consecration to you this day and for always, so that you may use me for the coming of the Kingdom of Jesus in the whole world. To this end, I offer you all my prayers, actions, and sacrifices of this day. Amen."
Okay? Not to say that I am insensitive to your suffering or your tribulations but I said that line rather dismissively, as being a point I wouldn't like to discuss.Irredento wrote:Would you prefer that we have no free will and therefore no risk of sinning?
Life without free will is, to me, not life at all but more like a play with a pretedermined beginning, middle, and end in which the actors are trapped all their lives.
"God is not a man that he should lie..."
So when he says he won't destroy the world again, I believe him... regardless of how bad humans are... surely an omniscient God would know this before making such a deceleration.
by Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:25 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.
NEO Rome Republic wrote:But not everyone see's it as a message of love.
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:That's neither here nor there, If I say to someone "God loves you", it's not my fault if they take it as "Fuck you, Fuckface".
by Benuty » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:26 pm
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.NEO Rome Republic wrote:But not everyone see's it as a message of love.Tarsonis Survivors wrote:That's neither here nor there, If I say to someone "God loves you", it's not my fault if they take it as "Fuck you, Fuckface".
Or could just shut the fuck up where you're not wanted. If people don't want to listen.
by Menassa » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:27 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Menassa wrote:Okay? Not to say that I am insensitive to your suffering or your tribulations but I said that line rather dismissively, as being a point I wouldn't like to discuss.
"God is not a man that he should lie..."
So when he says he won't destroy the world again, I believe him... regardless of how bad humans are... surely an omniscient God would know this before making such a deceleration.
He promised he wouldn't curse the ground or kill every living thing, "as long as the Earth Remains." getting into semantics here, the Apocalypse of Revelation is not the destruction of the world, but rather its purification into the New Earth.
by Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:28 pm
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:29 pm
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:29 pm
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Sigh, first of all no it doesn't, it is an exercise of the Golden Rule. The message of Christ is love, and Evangelizing is spreading that message of love. Christ gave the great commission to make disciples of all nations. Thus, Christians are called to evangelize.
However there is a limit as to what is right and wrong. When evangelizing turns into "forced" evangelism, using harassment, hazing, humiliation, and ultimately force, is when it becomes problematic.NEO Rome Republic wrote:But not everyone see's it as a message of love.Tarsonis Survivors wrote:That's neither here nor there, If I say to someone "God loves you", it's not my fault if they take it as "Fuck you, Fuckface".
Or could just shut the fuck up where you're not wanted. If people don't want to hear it.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:31 pm
by Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:33 pm
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