World Baseball Classic Discussion Thread

[Britonisea]

When is the next tournament?

[Free Republics]

When is the next tournament?

Signups will open the new Council President decides to open them and the next tournament will be whenever the host decides to hold it (probably several weeks after signups open).

[Nova Anglicana]

I just realized that I forgot to vote in Nova Anglicana. Whoops. Sorry.

But I meant to vote for you and you didn't really need it, so congrats anyway! And to everybody else who was voted in as well!

And fantastic job to Saugeais as WBC President. You did a great job and I haven't entered under a different president yet. Great job!

Personally, I don't want to be nominated. Running a twelve-person International Baseball Slam takes up enough of my time, I really don't want to quadruple that.

No hard feelings. I did garner the most "no" votes out of any new Councillor, so does that mean I'm the "bad boy" of the inductees? More than likely, it just means I need to take an SLL track on my RPs and improve them for the next go-round to prove I belong. But thank you to everyone who voted, even if you didn't want me in. I understand your concerns. Thank you to Saugeais for your service as WBC President and executing the duties therein. Incidentally, what are the official enumerated duties of said office?

Oh, and congratulations to everyone who was voted in. I know Imota will break through next round, and New Wolfopolis and Gregoryisgodistan have bright futures. To Welsh Cowboy, kudos for sticking around despite your struggles. I really enjoyed your "search for a nickname" RP line and I wish you best of luck in the future.

[Saugeais]

No hard feelings. I did garner the most "no" votes out of any new Councillor, so does that mean I'm the "bad boy" of the inductees? More than likely, it just means I need to take an SLL track on my RPs and improve them for the next go-round to prove I belong. But thank you to everyone who voted, even if you didn't want me in. I understand your concerns. Thank you to Saugeais for your service as WBC President and executing the duties therein. Incidentally, what are the official enumerated duties of said office?

Oh, and congratulations to everyone who was voted in. I know Imota will break through next round, and New Wolfopolis and Gregoryisgodistan have bright futures. To Welsh Cowboy, kudos for sticking around despite your struggles. I really enjoyed your "search for a nickname" RP line and I wish you best of luck in the future.

Thanks for the props!

As far as the duties of a Council member, you have a say in all things regarding the WBC. Meaning, you can vote on who should host the WBC once the host bids for that particular event are closed, new Council member ballots, and new presidential nominations and ballots every three WBCs.

[Qazox]

As revealed in the WCDT, and my thread, I'm ditching my region, the Q continuum on December 31st. Anyone here want it?

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Thanks to everybody who voted me in. To the one person who didn't, I respect your decision to vote that way.

[Free Republics]

The following proposal would become Article III of the WBC Constitution, with following articles renumbered accordingly (please note references to Article IV mean what is currently Article III, "Impeachment Procedures"). Any current committee member may vote on the following proposal. Votes must be sent to Lycrabon by 20:00 EST on Thursday, April 26.

Article III: President of the Council

Section 1: The Council will be headed by a president who will be elected by the members of the council, using the same election procedures as outlined in Article VI.

Section 2: The president will be elected after every third World Baseball Classic, and will serve terms of three Classics. No one may serve as president for two consecutive terms.

Section 3: The president's duties are the following: opening the sign-up thread; opening and collecting host voting; opening and collecting constitutional proposal voting; keeping the council list updated; opening and collecting council member election voting; and making any other arbitrary decisions which are not fit to be decided by the council as a whole.

Section 4: The president must appoint a vice-president to serve in his/her absence. If the president goes missing for an extended period of time, or ceases to exist, the vice-president has the right to step up and serve as the president pro tempore.

Section 5: The president may be impeached under the procedures of Article IV. If the president is impeached and removed from the council, the vice-president becomes the new president.

Separately: Section 3 of Article IV is edited to say: "The council president shall initiate the removal vote, which shall only take place in the event two thirds of votes cast are in favour of removal from office. If the president is the one being impeached, the vice-president shall serve the same role as the president for the purposes of this section."

The amendment that created the WBC Presidency is spoilered. I went looking for it in the Constitution, noticed it wasn't there and dug around in the thread to find the amendment.

[Vaugania]

I think it would be a good idea to repost the Constitution with it properly amended and such. I had the same issue as FR when trying to find the article on the presidency.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Sorry to change the topic but seeing the WBC Council criteria, I fill the criteria because I upload a roster and did RP in the two previous WBC's, by that reason I have a question, who's the next step to take part of the council?

[Saugeais]

Sorry to change the topic but seeing the WBC Council criteria, I fill the criteria because I upload a roster and did RP in the two previous WBC's, by that reason I have a question, who's the next step to take part of the council?

Yes, you RPed in the 27th WBC, and while you submited a roster both times, I didn't find a single RP in the 28th.

Also, looking at the long forgotten amendment, I seem to have broken one of the rules. So a step down would have to be necessary in this case.

[Saugeais]

WBC Constitution, December 2013
(previously amended April 2012)

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1: To be an eligible member of the Council, a nation must have participated (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the previous 2 Classics and be approved by a simple majority vote of the current Council. (ie: if there are currently 10 or 11 voting members are on the council, then 6 members would have to approve, etc.) This is to limit the number of members of the Council to the truly active participants.

Section 2: To maintain membership, a nation must fulfill at least one of the following criteria:
Clause a. Hosting (or Co-hosting) a Classic, (if possible), within the next 3 Classics.
Clause b. Participate (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the subsequent Classic.

Section 3: If a Member of the Council fails to maintain its membership (by failure to fulfill any of the above criteria), it shall have 1 Classic to retain membership (by fulfilling any of the above criteria). If the Member does not do so, then it shall not be eligible for membership on the Council for a minimum of one Classic.

Section 4: Any previous hosts of the Classic within the last three WBCs are also eligible, pending a simple majority vote of the current Council.

Article II: Rights and Responsibilities of the Council

Section 1: The Council shall be the voters for the next Host of the Classic and shall choose from the available bids.

Section 2: The Council shall be the determining body for changes, (ie: repealing, amending or introduction of new rules), to the WBC Constitution. A two-thirds majority shall be needed to amend or repeal any part of the WBC Constitution, but a simple majority vote shall be sufficient for introduction of new rules to the Constitution.

Section 3: Any member of the Council can withdraw from the Council without prejudice, but shall be subject to the above eligibility guidelines if they seek re-instatement.

Section 4: Council members may "go on vacation" (ie: take a NS break) for a maximum of two Classics; but shall be subject to the above eligibility guidelines if they seek re-instatement if they are gone for more than two consecutive Classics.

Section 5: The Council is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the Classic and for advertising of the same.

Section 6: The Council shall be held to any subsequent rights and/or responsibilities that are created henceforth into the WBC Constitution.

Article III: President of the Council

Section 1: The Council will be headed by a president who will be elected by the members of the council, using the same election procedures as outlined in Article VI.

Section 2: The president will be elected after every third World Baseball Classic, and will serve terms of three Classics. No one may serve as president for two consecutive terms.

Section 3: The president's duties are the following: opening the sign-up thread; opening and collecting host voting; opening and collecting constitutional proposal voting; keeping the council list updated; opening and collecting council member election voting; and making any other arbitrary decisions which are not fit to be decided by the council as a whole.

Section 4: The president must appoint a vice-president to serve in his/her absence. If the president goes missing for an extended period of time, or ceases to exist, the vice-president has the right to step up and serve as the president pro tempore.

Section 5: The president may be impeached under the procedures of Article IV. If the president is impeached and removed from the council, the vice-president becomes the new president.

Article IV: Impeachment Procedures

Section 1: In order to initiate impeachment and/or removal from office proceedings against a current member of the World Baseball Classic Council, another member in good standing must motion for impeachment. If a different member seconds the motion, the member is considered impeached.

Section 2: In the event that a Council member is impeached, the full Council shall have one RL week to discuss whether or not to remove the impeached member. During that period, the impeached member is still considered a full voting member of the Council on any items other than those involving the impeachment proceedings.

Section 3: The council president shall initiate the removal vote, which shall only take place in the event two thirds of votes cast are in favour of removal from office. If the president is the one being impeached, the vice-president shall serve the same role as the president for the purposes of this section.

Section 4: In the event that two third of votes cast are in favour of removal from office, the Council member shall be removed from the Council with immediate effect for a period of two World Baseball Classics. At the end of the two World Baseball Classic period, the member may petition to rejoin the Council and initiate a plan to address any concerns outlined in the impeachment proceedings.

Section 5: Any Council member removed due to impeachment proceedings must be nominated to rejoin the Council and must be formally seconded. If that occurs, the Council may vote on readmission when votes for new Council members are being taken. If a simple majority of votes cast are in favour of readmission, the impeached member shall rejoin the Council with immediate effect.

Article V: Formula for World Rankings

Section 1: For each Classic, divide the number of games a team won by the number of games played by the team playing the most games.

Section 2: A team's ranking is the sum of:
Clause a. Four times their Section 1 quotient for the most recently completed Classic;
Clause b. Twice their Section 1 quotient for the next-most-recent completed Classic; and
Clause c. The unmodified Section 1 quotient for the third-most-recent completed Classic.

Section 3: When calculating the rankings, any games won due to forfeit are still treated as bona fide wins.

Article VI: Tournament Sportsmanship

Section 1: No team may voluntarily forfeit games or entire series after a World Baseball Classic has started.

Section 2: Only nations that have ceased to exist during the World Baseball Classic before being eliminated are deemed as forfeiting.

Section 3: Forfeited games due to CTE by a nation are automatic victories for the opposing team and should be scorinated as such.

Article VII: Voting Procedures

Section 1: For a Council vote to be considered valid, a motion must have a simple majority of votes cast provided that a quorum of Council members votes in favour of or against the motion at vote.

Section 2: For the purposes of this amendment, a "quorum" shall be defined as one more than half the current voting membership of the Council.

Section 3: Any measure that receives the votes of one more than half the active Council membership shall be automatically approved.

Article VIII: Miscellaneous Procedures

Section 1: When creating the signup thread, the thread creator is to provide (at minimum) a link to the winning bid of the last World Baseball Classic and set a definitive deadline for when host bids must be received by.

---

[Free Republics]

Sorry to change the topic but seeing the WBC Council criteria, I fill the criteria because I upload a roster and did RP in the two previous WBC's, by that reason I have a question, who's the next step to take part of the council?

Yes, you RPed in the 27th WBC, and while you submited a roster both times, I didn't find a single RP in the 28th.

Also, looking at the long forgotten amendment, I seem to have broken one of the rules. So a step down would have to be necessary in this case.

I had noticed that, but chose not to bring up the matter because it doesn't matter at this point. With Western Cuba (the only other candidate last time) no longer around, we are fortunate anyways that you were (illegally) re-elected to the Presidency.

(I'm posting as this nation because I'm currently working on my RP for the World Cup.)

[San Jose Guayabal]

Sorry to change the topic but seeing the WBC Council criteria, I fill the criteria because I upload a roster and did RP in the two previous WBC's, by that reason I have a question, who's the next step to take part of the council?

Yes, you RPed in the 27th WBC, and while you submited a roster both times, I didn't find a single RP in the 28th.

Also, looking at the long forgotten amendment, I seem to have broken one of the rules. So a step down would have to be necessary in this case.

So I can't? If I can't what's the required thing to get access to the Council?

[Saugeais]

Yes, you RPed in the 27th WBC, and while you submited a roster both times, I didn't find a single RP in the 28th.

Also, looking at the long forgotten amendment, I seem to have broken one of the rules. So a step down would have to be necessary in this case.

So I can't? If I can't what's the required thing to get access to the Council?

You were correct before: one roster and one RP in two previous WBCs. Since you missed the boat on this past one, you start over.

[Saintland]

So I can't? If I can't what's the required thing to get access to the Council?

You were correct before: one roster and one RP in two previous WBCs. Since you missed the boat on this past one, you start over.

Having looked over SJG's post history, I was also unable to find an RP for WBC 28. Those are the requirements to go up for a vote, but you still have to be voted in by a majority of the current council, so you'll want to exceed the minimum requirements.

[Super-Llamaland]

Personally, I feel like the bar should be raised a lot higher, say, one roster/3 RPs in two classics or one roster/2 RPs in three classics. Does anyone else feel this way?

Also, I nominated Cassadaigua. In case you wanted to know.

[Free Republics]

Personally, I feel like the bar should be raised a lot higher, say, one roster/3 RPs in two classics or one roster/2 RPs in three classics. Does anyone else feel this way?

Also, I nominated Cassadaigua. In case you wanted to know.

I don't see the need. If somebody isn't active enough, we can always vote them down.

[Qazox]

Sorry to change the topic but seeing the WBC Council criteria, I fill the criteria because I upload a roster and did RP in the two previous WBC's, by that reason I have a question, who's the next step to take part of the council?

Yes, you RPed in the 27th WBC, and while you submited a roster both times, I didn't find a single RP in the 28th.

Also, looking at the long forgotten amendment, I seem to have broken one of the rules. So a step down would have to be necessary in this case.

Given the circumstances involved, I don't think we'll throw the book at you.

[Qazox]

Personally, I feel like the bar should be raised a lot higher, say, one roster/3 RPs in two classics or one roster/2 RPs in three classics. Does anyone else feel this way?

Also, I nominated Cassadaigua. In case you wanted to know.

I don't see the need. If somebody isn't active enough, we can always vote them down.

That's why I recommended that minimum in the first place. The WBC is small enough that we know who is involved and who isn't.

[Super-Llamaland]

Personally, I feel like the bar should be raised a lot higher, say, one roster/3 RPs in two classics or one roster/2 RPs in three classics. Does anyone else feel this way?

Also, I nominated Cassadaigua. In case you wanted to know.

I don't see the need. If somebody isn't active enough, we can always vote them down.

Oh. Right. Okay, thanks.

[Qazox]

The current OP has a link to the current Constitution and is spoilered there as well.

[Vaugania]

Drawing attention back to the Constitution, it seems that one could stay on the Council for 6 Classics through the use of Sections 2 and 3 in Article 1 and Section 4 of Article 2.

[Super-Llamaland]

Drawing attention back to the Constitution, it seems that one could stay on the Council for 6 Classics through the use of Sections 2 and 3 in Article 1 and Section 4 of Article 2.

If they hosted, yeah. They could host and then sit out for six WBCs in Host Rehab and then host again.

[Qazox]

Drawing attention back to the Constitution, it seems that one could stay on the Council for 6 Classics through the use of Sections 2 and 3 in Article 1 and Section 4 of Article 2.

If they hosted, yeah. They could host and then sit out for six WBCs in Host Rehab and then host again.

You could, but we'd probably bring up impeachment proceedings if someone tried that.

[Vaugania]

Instead of going through impeachment procedings, I think we could come up with some sort of amendment. I would be willing to write one when I get back to a computer.