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Shadow Afforess
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:26 pm

Parone92 wrote:Shadow Afforess:

You put forth a good idea for the script, but the proposal I was thinking of is to implement a simple guild system, completely detached from regions but somewhat similar in infrastructure. It would be nothing more than a guild leader(in place of founder) whom can create ranks and assign some powers, a news board(in place of world factbook entry), and a small message board(in place of regional message board). Again, it should not have anything to do regions or the WA, but be a standalone thing. That way it (completely?) avoids R/D basically.

Would you need help writing the script? Would it be a new program all by itself or could it be added onto NS++? The reason I propose this over other things is that in the unlikely event people in the "opt-out" thread manage to actually convince the polar minded staff members wishing to keep everything the same to implement changes in the game to grant some kind of amnesty to RP communities from R/D, said implementation could take months or years even to actually get done. In the meantime my proposed idea here could serve as an alternative solution. In the likely event nothing changes, my proposed idea can be a way for RP groups to opt-out from R/D gameplay.


I've been giving thought to an easy to use Forum Service for NS that seems similar to this. This service would be unique from many existing regional forums in that login is with your NS nation, it would be on a separate website (but also, integrated and visible on region pages with NS++), and very easy to customize and free of the nasty ads and limitations of free forum services.

In addition, there is the planned Regional Assembly feature. I plan on having a separate RMB-style discussion and role creation and appointments by regional officials. I think these two ideas combined could give you what you want.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:27 pm

Aryan Shield Command wrote:Thanks SF;

Another interesting idea is having a user updated news ticker for regions; similar to this but with custom content.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=activity

the more we can control content the more we can all make our regions 'pop' :)
I look forward to your future work...


A news ticker for regions or for nations? And where would this appear? Just on their pages, and a "latest news tickers" listing page? I suggest you flesh out the idea more and post it on the features suggestion page for NS++. The link is in the OP.
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Postby Parone92 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:47 am

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Parone92 wrote:Shadow Afforess:

You put forth a good idea for the script, but the proposal I was thinking of is to implement a simple guild system, completely detached from regions but somewhat similar in infrastructure. It would be nothing more than a guild leader(in place of founder) whom can create ranks and assign some powers, a news board(in place of world factbook entry), and a small message board(in place of regional message board). Again, it should not have anything to do regions or the WA, but be a standalone thing. That way it (completely?) avoids R/D basically.

Would you need help writing the script? Would it be a new program all by itself or could it be added onto NS++? The reason I propose this over other things is that in the unlikely event people in the "opt-out" thread manage to actually convince the polar minded staff members wishing to keep everything the same to implement changes in the game to grant some kind of amnesty to RP communities from R/D, said implementation could take months or years even to actually get done. In the meantime my proposed idea here could serve as an alternative solution. In the likely event nothing changes, my proposed idea can be a way for RP groups to opt-out from R/D gameplay.


I've been giving thought to an easy to use Forum Service for NS that seems similar to this. This service would be unique from many existing regional forums in that login is with your NS nation, it would be on a separate website (but also, integrated and visible on region pages with NS++), and very easy to customize and free of the nasty ads and limitations of free forum services.

In addition, there is the planned Regional Assembly feature. I plan on having a separate RMB-style discussion and role creation and appointments by regional officials. I think these two ideas combined could give you what you want.


Do the easy-to-use forum service please. Preferably on it's own, so it can be implemented sooner rather than later.
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Postby Septentrione » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:29 am

I am no longer able to access the recruitment setting under Regional Control. But it is still sending them. This just started today (I used it yesterday). I have tried reinstalling the addon. Also I am using chrome. Any ideas what could be the cause?

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:31 am

Septentrione wrote:I am no longer able to access the recruitment setting under Regional Control. But it is still sending them. This just started today (I used it yesterday). I have tried reinstalling the addon. Also I am using chrome. Any ideas what could be the cause?


Violets tweaks to add icons broke it. I have it fixed and will release a minor update later today.
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Postby Septentrione » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:33 am

Ok thank you.

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Postby Kwadai » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:26 pm

We really need an iPad version.
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Postby Ikania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:30 pm

This has most likely been asked many times before, but I'm gonna ask it again; why don't you contact the admins of NS and integrate NS++ into the game?
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:46 pm

KwaDai wrote:We really need an iPad version.

It's on the features suggestion list. Upvote it if you want it.
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Postby Maryginia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:48 pm

I ntoiced something when I exit out of NS, it logs me out of my nation, and when I come back, it doesn't have any puppets to let me click, and log in, Is this supposed to happen, I'm using Firefox, Windows 7.
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:49 pm

The settings page doesn't seem to load.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:50 pm

Ikania wrote:This has most likely been asked many times before, but I'm gonna ask it again; why don't you contact the admins of NS and integrate NS++ into the game?


The admins are fully aware of NS++ and we both mutually agree that working separately is best for both parties.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:51 pm

Astrolinium wrote:The settings page doesn't seem to load.


Loading here fine. If in doubt, f5 (refresh).

Maryginia wrote:I ntoiced something when I exit out of NS, it logs me out of my nation, and when I come back, it doesn't have any puppets to let me click, and log in, Is this supposed to happen, I'm using Firefox, Windows 7.


Are you saying that the puppet list does not save? This frequently happens when you are using another browser extension that deletes localStorage. If you are not sure what I am talking about, you can screenshot your list of browser addons and I can figure out which is the problem.
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:52 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:The settings page doesn't seem to load.


Loading here fine. If in doubt, f5 (refresh).


That seems to have fixed it for whatever reason.
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Postby Maryginia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:56 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:The settings page doesn't seem to load.


Loading here fine. If in doubt, f5 (refresh).

Maryginia wrote:I ntoiced something when I exit out of NS, it logs me out of my nation, and when I come back, it doesn't have any puppets to let me click, and log in, Is this supposed to happen, I'm using Firefox, Windows 7.


Are you saying that the puppet list does not save? This frequently happens when you are using another browser extension that deletes localStorage. If you are not sure what I am talking about, you can screenshot your list of browser addons and I can figure out which is the problem.

No I'll X out of my browser, Then I open it back up, And go to NS, It takes me to whatever page I left off on, Let's say the Index page of the forums, I'll click on view your posts, and it will have the sidebar that's not for nations, the Create a nation, the world, FAQ, That one, And the puppet thing at the top doesn't come up, So I have to log-in, It's not a huge eal, But I use the puppets part to get access easily to all my nations.
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Postby [violet] » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:05 pm

Ikania wrote:This has most likely been asked many times before, but I'm gonna ask it again; why don't you contact the admins of NS and integrate NS++ into the game?

The big advantage of Afforess working independently is he can wake up with an idea and have it implemented by breakfast. Whereas changes to the official site need to go through discussion with the mod/admin team, which can take a while as various points of view are raised. I think if Afforess were working on the official site instead of NS++, we would see less features, less often, which would be a shame, because currently he is a gushing fire hose of new features.

I like NS++ as a kind of testing-ground for new features; we can see how they work in practice, and use that experience when stealing them cross-pollinating with the official site. Quite a lot of what's in NS++ I would like to port one day, which Afforess has said he's happy for me to do. Some of it is a different implementation of features we already have in development.

But I also think NS++ is valuable as something different to vanilla NS; it's good for players to have that choice, rather than being stuck with one feature set or the other. NS++ seems somewhat geared toward experienced players, who are for example happy to take a more complicated UI for more powerful features, whereas that may not be true for the broader playerbase.

So long as Afforess is happy doing this, I'm happy too. :)

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:11 pm

[violet] wrote:So long as Afforess is happy doing this, I'm happy too. :)


My sentiment exactly. I love NS, the admins here, and the community. In addition, I have made sure to keep everything I have made open-source so if/when the admins decide to add it to NS proper, there are no legal issues preventing it. It's best to share.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:21 pm

Maryginia wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
Loading here fine. If in doubt, f5 (refresh).



Are you saying that the puppet list does not save? This frequently happens when you are using another browser extension that deletes localStorage. If you are not sure what I am talking about, you can screenshot your list of browser addons and I can figure out which is the problem.

No I'll X out of my browser, Then I open it back up, And go to NS, It takes me to whatever page I left off on, Let's say the Index page of the forums, I'll click on view your posts, and it will have the sidebar that's not for nations, the Create a nation, the world, FAQ, That one, And the puppet thing at the top doesn't come up, So I have to log-in, It's not a huge eal, But I use the puppets part to get access easily to all my nations.
For my add-ons I have Nationstates++ 2.2.0
Leechblock 0.6.6
and The most updated version of Avast!


Oh. The puppets list is only available on www.nationstates.net, not the forums site. There is a technical reason for this, but long story short it's just not possible to carry your puppets to the forums unless I exposed your passwords, which is obviously really bad. So instead I don't.
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Postby Parone92 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:44 pm

Hey, I just wanted to check up on that idea we just talked about. You know, the guild system/forum service. What's your stance on that Afforess? Are you okay with doing it and everything okay?

I also appreciate you taking the idea I put forth. I think a lot of players will be happy that there's something new in the community to separate roleplay from R/D.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:00 pm

Parone92 wrote:Hey, I just wanted to check up on that idea we just talked about. You know, the guild system/forum service. What's your stance on that Afforess? Are you okay with doing it and everything okay?

I also appreciate you taking the idea I put forth. I think a lot of players will be happy that there's something new in the community to separate roleplay from R/D.


I doubt I will call it "Guild service", but yeah something similiar to that will likely get added. I had some ideas along the same lines as you already. I can't promise timelines though.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:16 pm

Version 2.2.1
  • Added Easy & Fast Puppet Creation Tool
  • Fixed Regional Recruitment in Administration Page
  • Fixed various minor bugs
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Postby ErasmoGnome » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:02 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:Version 2.2.1
  • Added Easy & Fast Puppet Creation Tool


Sounds awesome - where is it? I looked in the Settings menu and didn't see it...
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Postby Septentrione » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:10 pm

on the puppets menu under the nation and password fields

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Postby ErasmoGnome » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:14 pm

Thanks to you and Afforess, who answered through IRC. Great feature!
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Postby Korea of the South » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:51 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:Version 2.2.1
  • Added Easy & Fast Puppet Creation Tool
  • Fixed Regional Recruitment in Administration Page
  • Fixed various minor bugs

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