"Santa Claus should be white"

[Bezombia]

"Santa should be what he is and what he is is white"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYlJqf4dLI

So it appears that not only is a major media news outlet claiming that a Turkish bishop is, and should be, white, but also that jesus was white, and that these two factually incorrect things are in some way related.

She also infers that black people are all liars about racial issues. Which isn't surprising.

So NSG, this may seem irrelevant, but it opens up quite a few opportunities for debate:

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?


My views, in order:

1: I think it wouldn't hurt. Honestly can't remember the last time I saw black santa, black jesus, black easter bunny, etc.
2: I don't think so, no.
3: I don't think so, and this video almost extremizes the point to the verge of laughability.
4: I think it's heavily skewed towards the white, and that this should be remedies.

So NSG, what you say?

[Gauthier]

It's sad you're crediting Megyn Kelly with any credibility to begin with.

[The Emerald Legion]

We should represent all cultural figures as robots. So as to amuse me, and avoid offending anyone else.

[Ifreann]

People are saying stupid things on YouTube? Good heavens.

[Seriong]

Why does anyone care about this issue in the slightest?

1:10 "If you are an African American child, having a white Santa it would affect you, you wouldn't feel like you were part of the tradition"
Not only is this idiotic, it hinges on the belief that people only feel welcome if there are people of their own race in a certain thing.

[Fartsniffage]

A black guy breaking into your house to leave stuff?

Come on, even kids are only so credulous.....

[Bezombia]

People are saying stupid things on YouTube? Good heavens.

This was a public television broadcast. Sadly I cannot upload the video to Piratebay and then kindly request all NSG posters to download it then watch it, so Youtube is the next best thing for delivering videos.

Why does anyone care about this issue in the slightest?

1:10 "If you are an African American child, having a white Santa it would affect you, you wouldn't feel like you were part of the tradition"
Not only is this idiotic, it hinges on the belief that people only feel welcome if there are people of their own race in a certain thing.

It isn't just this, though, it's everything. If you were black growing up and every public figure, both real and fictional, was white, what do you think YOU'D think?

[Ifreann]

A black guy breaking into your house to leave stuff?

Come on, even kids are only so credulous.....

He'll steal milk and cookies.

[Gauthier]

A black guy breaking into your house to leave stuff?

Come on, even kids are only so credulous.....

Obama with the NSA?

[Olivaero]

Turkish people can be extremely white, just saying.

[The Great Warrior Rivers]

Don't you think its just a coincidence that they are both white?

Besides, they can't really complain about race when they got a man in the White house.

[Lydenburg]

"Santa should be what he is and what he is is white"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYlJqf4dLI

So it appears that not only is a major media news outlet claiming that a Turkish bishop is, and should be, white, but also that jesus was white, and that these two factually incorrect things are in some way related.

She also infers that black people are all liars about racial issues. Which isn't surprising.

So NSG, this may seem irrelevant, but it opens up quite a few opportunities for debate:

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?


My views, in order:

1: I think it wouldn't hurt. Honestly can't remember the last time I saw black santa, black jesus, black easter bunny, etc.
2: I don't think so, no.
3: I don't think so, and this video almost extremizes the point to the verge of laughability.
4: I think it's heavily skewed towards the white, and that this should be remedies.

So NSG, what you say?

St. Nick was not Turkish in any meaningful sense of the word, OP.

[Orthodox Brotherhood]

To be fair, a lot of Turkey at the time of St. Nick was populated by ethnic Greeks/Armenians, and according to the wikipedia he was a Greek, this pic might not be accurate, but still.

Does he look black or white?

[Hostenia]

"Santa should be what he is and what he is is white"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYlJqf4dLI

So it appears that not only is a major media news outlet claiming that a Turkish bishop is, and should be, white, but also that jesus was white, and that these two factually incorrect things are in some way related.

She also infers that black people are all liars about racial issues. Which isn't surprising.

So NSG, this may seem irrelevant, but it opens up quite a few opportunities for debate:

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?


My views, in order:

1: I think it wouldn't hurt. Honestly can't remember the last time I saw black santa, black jesus, black easter bunny, etc.
2: I don't think so, no.
3: I don't think so, and this video almost extremizes the point to the verge of laughability.
4: I think it's heavily skewed towards the white, and that this should be remedies.

So NSG, what you say?

Santa Claus ain't bullshit. Black or white, it should be what the people will it. Santa Claus in America should be black, white, Latino, Asian, any and all phenotypic continua.

[Segland]

A black guy breaking into your house to leave stuff?

Come on, even kids are only so credulous.....

He'll steal milk and cookies.

If Santa was black, we'd be leaving fried chicken for him, not milk and cookies.

Hopefully that didn't come off as too racist

[Vazdania]

OH NO! SANTA IS SOME UNKNOWN ETHNIC ORIGIN THAT HAPPENS TO BE WHIIITEEEEE. TOTES RACISM!!! EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CONVERT TO BLACK SANTA NOW OR THEYRE RACISTT!!!!!!! RACISM!!!!



Santa in America has traditionally portrayed as white.......get over it. If you want to make a black santa or an asian santa or an indian santa then be my guest, but honestly who cares?

[Utceforp]

The "Jesus is white" thing is really f*cking stupid, but the "Santa is white" thing at least has a tiny, itty bitty grain of justification. Santa Claus' gift giving tradition was adopted from Odin, so it makes some sense. Claiming Saint Nicholas is white is also completely wrong, though.

[Gauthier]

It's Megyn Kelly. I'm surprised she didn't talk about how a White Santa handing out presents to black kids is Welfare.

[Bezombia]

Don't you think its just a coincidence that they are both white?

That who's both white?

[Hostenia]

OH NO! SANTA IS SOME UNKNOWN ETHNIC ORIGIN THAT HAPPENS TO BE WHIIITEEEEE. TOTES RACISM!!! EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CONVERT TO BLACK SANTA NOW OR THEYRE RACISTT!!!!!!! RACISM!!!!



Santa in America has traditionally portrayed as white.......get over it. If you want to make a black santa or an asian santa or an indian santa then be my guest, but honestly who cares?

If there's a White Santa outside and a black one inside your house, that makes it complicated. The writer of the firestorm-starting article had that experience.

[Greater-London]

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?

1. I don't mind black Santa (or Father Christmas as he is known on this side of the pond) I just don't think it matters, based on a Turkish Saint he may be but the modern interpretation of him that well all recognize is of a portly, elderly, white gentleman. What is the point of changing that? it doesn't offend ANYBODY.

2. It's not racist at all, just I think their are bigger fish to fry

3. No its not the war on Christmas is seriously lame & for the most part doesn't exist. Christmas is fun and even if you don't believe in god its still a nice time to have with your family/friends something that we often miss out on in the modern world

4. Finally a decent question (of sorts) I simply just don't think it matters what colour people are. I think the current balance we have is okay in terms of minority 'cultural figures' - perhaps their should be more.

[Olivaero]

The "Jesus is white" thing is really f*cking stupid, but the "Santa is white" thing at least has a tiny, itty bitty grain of justification. Santa Claus' gift giving tradition was adopted from Odin, so it makes some sense. Claiming Saint Nicholas is white is also completely wrong, though.

looking at some depictions of him that seems to be up in the air, there are plenty of turks who look white too so...

[Bezombia]

We could go the German route, have a white Santa, a "fair" St. Nick, and a dark red/pitch black Krampus, and a twenty year old female Kristkind, etc.

[Orthodox Brotherhood]

Don't you think its just a coincidence that they are both white?

Not really, it's natural for a group to picture gods and other figures looking like them, "Ethiopians say that their gods are snub–nosed and black, Thracians that they are pale and red-haired." - Xenophanes

[Gauthier]

OH NO! SANTA IS SOME UNKNOWN ETHNIC ORIGIN THAT HAPPENS TO BE WHIIITEEEEE. TOTES RACISM!!! EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CONVERT TO BLACK SANTA NOW OR THEYRE RACISTT!!!!!!! RACISM!!!!



Santa in America has traditionally portrayed as white.......get over it. If you want to make a black santa or an asian santa or an indian santa then be my guest, but honestly who cares?

If there's a White Santa outside and a black one inside your house, that makes it complicated. The writer of the firestorm-starting article had that experience.

Separate But Equal Santa.