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by Silver Seas » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:39 pm
by Ambroscus Koth » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:33 pm
Personal Interest wrote:I cannot sit idly by as injustice is served to someone who has done little to no wrong and done much good to the NationStates community.
by Mallorea and Riva » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:46 pm
Personal Interest wrote:Several moderators have demonstrated extreme bias against the region of Capitalist Paradise, Afforess in particular.
That's demonstrably incorrect. Posting past ban results in the deletion of both the posting nation and the banned nation. It says as much in the rules.Personal Interest wrote:It is Personal Interest's belief that the nation of Afforess is innocent of the charges brought against him, and his previous punishments harsher than if performed by a different nation.
Personal Interest wrote:Furthermore, it is Personal Interest's belief that the deletion Afforess was decided by moderators that should have recused themselves from the case.
by Mad Jack » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:39 am
by Hobbesistan » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:42 am
by Andacantra » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:14 am
by Weed » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:13 am
Mad Jack wrote:So Afforress claims to have given the nation away, despite every single post coming from his IP address?
by Sedgistan » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:28 am
by Southern Bellz » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:39 am
by Cerian Quilor » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:45 am
Weed wrote:Mad Jack wrote:So Afforress claims to have given the nation away, despite every single post coming from his IP address?
Every single post prior to his forum ban, from what I read. So you're point is not that relevant.
It seems to me the over-riding theme from all the past controversial moderation decisions I've seen is that the mods go out of their way to remove intent or any judgement calls from the process, to result in very specific if X then we delete you / ban you from the WA / etc. No ifs ands or buts, no room for reasoning or rational thought to enter into the equation, just pure mechanical application of rules. I can see the appeal to that system, since as we see in this thread itself as soon as one does not agree with moderation they claim bias. But it doesn't really leave me with a feeling that NS really cares about its users when this kind of thing happens, this feels like extreme indifference as opposed to any sort of bias.
by Southern Bellz » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:12 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:01 am
Southern Bellz wrote:As much as I've given them a hard time, the mods have always communicated that I was approaching the line, warned me as I stepped on it, I have never crossed it, but they were clear he crossed the line. At some point, his behavior is his responsibility
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by Southern Bellz » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:06 am
by Lun Noir » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:38 am
Sedgistan wrote:"I wasn't in control of my nation when X happened" is probably the most common excuse we hear for rules violations. Nonetheless, we do look into it when people make that claim, as we did in this case. The claim that Afforess handed his nation over didn't match the evidence. When high-profile players have a nation deleted, it's often claimed that they were singled out for special treatment. That is not the case - we enforced the same rules that apply to every other player, and acted the same way we would have done with any other player who committed the offences.
by Shadow Afforess » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:42 am
Lun Noir wrote:Sedgistan wrote:"I wasn't in control of my nation when X happened" is probably the most common excuse we hear for rules violations. Nonetheless, we do look into it when people make that claim, as we did in this case. The claim that Afforess handed his nation over didn't match the evidence. When high-profile players have a nation deleted, it's often claimed that they were singled out for special treatment. That is not the case - we enforced the same rules that apply to every other player, and acted the same way we would have done with any other player who committed the offences.
A minor correction, your investigation may not have been wholy accurate, and I'd rather just get all the facts out so this speculation can stop flying around. Afforess is not lying when he said that he forfeited erudite_observer.
Afforess did give erudite_observer to me, and had me change the password without telling him what it was. It was intended to be a permanent transfer of the nation. To cement his decision to step out of Gameplay, he then requested that I leave a post about the closure of the newspaper, which I did. The final login to NS and the NS Forums originated from a computer in my control, not Afforess'.
When I saw the two nations get deleted, I felt terrible, and still do. I did not realize this would be the outcome.
I am not stating this in any attempt to sway the decision of the mods, just stating for the record what actually happened.
by Mallorea and Riva » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:49 am
by Shadow Afforess » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:52 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:58 am
by Shadow Afforess » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:01 pm
by Mad Jack » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:05 pm
by Shadow Afforess » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:06 pm
Mad Jack wrote:You swap and share nations at your own risk. Complaining that you didn't know that isn't an excuse for your actions.
by Mallorea and Riva » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:07 pm
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