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by Southern Bellz » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:53 pm
by Cerian Quilor » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:55 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:You better get your eyes checked.Afforess wrote:Why should natives have to move in order to protect themselves? If I wander around in the freeway, is it your right to run me down? Should women have to cover up in fear of being raped? Should natives have to move in order to be protected? These are all the same question in my eyes.
by Cerian Quilor » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:57 pm
The Black Hat Guy wrote:-SNIP-
by Southern Bellz » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:58 pm
by Cerian Quilor » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:00 pm
by The Black Hat Guy » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:16 pm
by The Grim Reaper » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:23 pm
The Black Hat Guy wrote:
As in, you can't take actions happening on one scale and apply them as an analogy to another scale? Obviously I don't believe that raiding is anywhere near as bad as vehicular homicide. That being said, there's no reason why a debate about a less consequential issue cannot be applied, by analogy, to a greater one. If you don't like analogies about morality that's fine, I'll attempt to avoid them in the future (though it's harder to make my point without them), but small scale events can certainly be analogous to larger ones.
by Cerian Quilor » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:30 pm
The Grim Reaper wrote:The Black Hat Guy wrote:
As in, you can't take actions happening on one scale and apply them as an analogy to another scale? Obviously I don't believe that raiding is anywhere near as bad as vehicular homicide. That being said, there's no reason why a debate about a less consequential issue cannot be applied, by analogy, to a greater one. If you don't like analogies about morality that's fine, I'll attempt to avoid them in the future (though it's harder to make my point without them), but small scale events can certainly be analogous to larger ones.
What? Yes, if you're talking as a mathematician or a physicist - even then, you're not going to get far relating quantum theory to the physics of celestial bodies.
Your analogies all depend on warping the ideal of bodily sovereignty - the idea that living beings have power over the decisions they make regarding the physical body that allows them to continue living - and somehow relating it to raiding.
The reason women wearing the burqa is controversial is because it's a manifestation of a culture that oppresses women by removing their right to any form of unique identity or free speech, facet by facet.
The reason getting raped or being killed on a road are a problem is nowhere near the same as anything that results in or results from raiding.
That's why people take issue with your analogies in trying to prove some sort of military gameplay morality - because regional sovereignty is not the same as bodily sovereignty, and if you use analogies that don't depend on such you start to seem a little superficial.
by The Grim Reaper » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:31 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:The Grim Reaper wrote:
What? Yes, if you're talking as a mathematician or a physicist - even then, you're not going to get far relating quantum theory to the physics of celestial bodies.
Your analogies all depend on warping the ideal of bodily sovereignty - the idea that living beings have power over the decisions they make regarding the physical body that allows them to continue living - and somehow relating it to raiding.
The reason women wearing the burqa is controversial is because it's a manifestation of a culture that oppresses women by removing their right to any form of unique identity or free speech, facet by facet.
The reason getting raped or being killed on a road are a problem is nowhere near the same as anything that results in or results from raiding.
That's why people take issue with your analogies in trying to prove some sort of military gameplay morality - because regional sovereignty is not the same as bodily sovereignty, and if you use analogies that don't depend on such you start to seem a little superficial.
Grim has won this thread. I wish I could have said it as well as he could.
by The North Polish Union » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:51 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Afforess » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:06 pm
by Cerian Quilor » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:17 pm
by Mad Jack » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:12 am
Cerian Quilor wrote:Invasion is only meaningful if there is something to invade.
by Cerian Quilor » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:27 am
by Sedgistan » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:26 am
Afforess wrote:Southern Bellz wrote:To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger.
Yes, thank you, that is all I need here. Debate over folks. Raiders just admitted they are scum. We can all go back to our lives.
by The Black Hat Guy » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:52 am
The Grim Reaper wrote:The Black Hat Guy wrote:
As in, you can't take actions happening on one scale and apply them as an analogy to another scale? Obviously I don't believe that raiding is anywhere near as bad as vehicular homicide. That being said, there's no reason why a debate about a less consequential issue cannot be applied, by analogy, to a greater one. If you don't like analogies about morality that's fine, I'll attempt to avoid them in the future (though it's harder to make my point without them), but small scale events can certainly be analogous to larger ones.
What? Yes, if you're talking as a mathematician or a physicist - even then, you're not going to get far relating quantum theory to the physics of celestial bodies.
Your analogies all depend on warping the ideal of bodily sovereignty - the idea that living beings have power over the decisions they make regarding the physical body that allows them to continue living - and somehow relating it to raiding.
The reason women wearing the burqa is controversial is because it's a manifestation of a culture that oppresses women by removing their right to any form of unique identity or free speech, facet by facet.
The reason getting raped or being killed on a road are a problem is nowhere near the same as anything that results in or results from raiding.
That's why people take issue with your analogies in trying to prove some sort of military gameplay morality - because regional sovereignty is not the same as bodily sovereignty, and if you use analogies that don't depend on such you start to seem a little superficial.
by Cerian Quilor » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:16 am
by Astarial » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:15 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:Except that real property is of higher priority than a region page. The destruction of real property is more damaging and more permenant than what raiders do, even in the most extreme cases.
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