Gay marriage to be allowed in NJ

[Yankeesse]

At least we are chugging along in social progress decline.

ftfy

[Genivaria]

At least we are chugging along in social progress decline.

ftfy

I'm not seeing a decline anywhere.

[The Godly Nations]

And you are wrong. And simply calling people 'moochers' does nothing for your credibility.

in case you are confused the right to live "as you choose" is inferred.

There is no right without government.

[Regnum Dominae]

At least we are chugging along in social progress decline.

ftfy

How the hell is this social decline?

[IamJohnGalt]

1. Wrong. Marriage as is referred to in the op is a product of the State. It's my contention the State should not be in the marriage business.

2.Others claimed marriage conveyed certain "rights" (loot for moochers). I stated marriage does not inherently contain "rights".

3. The right to live (which I have explained before is a dependent on the right to property) is the only right...everything else follows from there.

2. Your statement was demonstrably false. Civil marriage inherently contains several rights, most of which have been inherently associated with marriage for many centuries.

name one

[Neo Rome Republic]

At least we are chugging along in social progress decline Advancement and Progress.

ftfy

Fixed it for real, you're welcome.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's amazing how no matter what the subject may be, any random Objectivist can come in and turn it into a turgid, unoriginal rant on what Rand would think about the matter, dropping references to moochers, statism, and the inherent rights of the individual along the way. It's like how religious extremists will turn everything back to Jesus, and how we need to be saved.

Yes, we get it. You read Atlas Shrugged. You thought that her sociopathic hero was just awesome. You think that in Galt's Gulch, you'd climb right to the top (funny how nobody EVER thinks that they'd stay a janitor in Galt's Gulch). And now you've taken her mad rantings cloaked in a veneer of supposed reason and you're trying to apply it to issues and situations that she likely never dreamed that society would be facing.

But you know what? It's boring. Pretty much all of us have read at least some of her works. Most of us rolled our eyes and moved on. A few of us acted like total dicks for a couple of weeks, then got over it. We understand that you're a True Believer. That's cool. But much like the religious fanatic mentioned earlier, trotting out the hoariest of Objectivist cliches and terms isn't going to change anyone's mind.

[Agritum]

ftfy

I'm not seeing a decline anywhere.

Some people like being backwards, Geni.

[Genivaria]

2. Your statement was demonstrably false. Civil marriage inherently contains several rights, most of which have been inherently associated with marriage for many centuries.

name one

Off the top of my head there's hospital visitation rights and inheritance rights also adoption I think.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

name one

Off the top of my head there's hospital visitation rights and inheritance rights also adoption I think.

Yes to all of the above.

[Genivaria]

Off the top of my head there's hospital visitation rights and inheritance rights also adoption I think.

Yes to all of the above.

A quick Google search would answer your question Galt.
http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/an-o ... ed-couples

[IamJohnGalt]

in case you are confused the right to live "as you choose" is inferred.

There is no right without government.

"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand

[Threlizdun]

2. Your statement was demonstrably false. Civil marriage inherently contains several rights, most of which have been inherently associated with marriage for many centuries.

name one

Hospital access, shared health benefits, input on care when their spouse is incapable of giving their input, shared property, notification by authorities in cases of emergency, taxation benefits, etc.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

There is no right without government.

"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand

An original thought might be nice. I'm sure that as a heroic, original human being who owns his own thoughts and is fully capable of reason, you can make an argument without mooching off of the thoughts and writings of another.

[Genivaria]

There is no right without government.

"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand

Quoting from an idiotic woman grants you nothing here.
Try speaking for yourself.

[Agritum]

There is no right without government.

"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand

In which verse of what book does the Russian Sex Kitten say that?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand

Quoting from an idiotic woman grants you nothing here.

It's the Objectivist equivalent of trotting out Bible verses.

[The Godly Nations]

It's amazing how no matter what the subject may be, any random Objectivist can come in and turn it into a turgid, unoriginal rant on what Rand would think about the matter, dropping references to moochers, statism, and the inherent rights of the individual along the way. It's like how religious extremists will turn everything back to Jesus, and how we need to be saved.

Yes, we get it. You read Atlas Shrugged. You thought that her sociopathic hero was just awesome. You think that in Galt's Gulch, you'd climb right to the top (funny how nobody EVER thinks that they'd stay a janitor in Galt's Gulch). And now you've taken her mad rantings cloaked in a veneer of supposed reason and you're trying to apply it to issues and situations that she likely never dreamed that society would be facing.

But you know what? It's boring. Pretty much all of us have read at least some of her works. Most of us rolled our eyes and moved on. A few of us acted like total dicks for a couple of weeks, then got over it. We understand that you're a True Believer. That's cool. But much like the religious fanatic mentioned earlier, trotting out the hoariest of Objectivist cliches and terms isn't going to change anyone's mind.

Heretic, ye generation of serpents and vipers, when the great Rand return, she shall toss thee to eternal torment into Objectivist hell, where mediocrity is rewarded and the poor are nannied by the government, and Socialism prevails. Thou shall be tossed to Sweden, where forever shall ye gnash your teeth against the stone!

[Geilinor]

2. Your statement was demonstrably false. Civil marriage inherently contains several rights, most of which have been inherently associated with marriage for many centuries.

name one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States#Rights_and_benefits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_consequences_of_marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom

[IamJohnGalt]

name one

Off the top of my head there's hospital visitation rights and inheritance rights also adoption I think.

Those are allowed or not allowed by the State having nothing inherently to do with one persons individual commitment to another... "marriage"

[Genivaria]

Off the top of my head there's hospital visitation rights and inheritance rights also adoption I think.

Those are allowed or not allowed by the State having nothing inherently to do with one persons individual commitment to another... "marriage"

The facts say otherwise. Try reading the sources provided.

[The Godly Nations]

There is no right without government.

"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand

Protecting folk's rights require that a list of rights be drawn up...and the folks drawing it up is the government.

[Yankeesse]

I'm not seeing a decline anywhere.

Some people like being backwards, Geni.

That's vey intolerant of you.

[Genivaria]

Some people like being backwards, Geni.

That's vey intolerant of you.

No it's not, you clearly don't know what that word means.
"He disagreed with me! Stop being intolerant!"

[Regnum Dominae]

Some people like being backwards, Geni.

That's vey intolerant of you.