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Fascism: Good or Bad?

Postby Equestrian Territories » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:28 pm

I recently visited the website of the now-disbanded Fascist Party of America. Fascism is most commonly associated with Nazism, even though the two concepts don't go hand-in-hand. However, there are some neat aspects to the fascist ideology: state before self, regulated (but free) market, healthy nationalist pride, etc.

So, what's everyone's take on the matter? Is fascism a system of oppression or liberation? Could it survive and thrive in a modern nation, or is it doomed to remain a relic of bygone ages? Is it a guiding beacon of what a state could be, or is it an ugly reminder of what it is only a few bad days away from becoming?

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Postby Ponyfornia » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:29 pm

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:30 pm

It's an oppressive system prone to war and/or genocide. Good in theory, but in practice it never ends up well.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:30 pm

it's hard to agree on what fascism is but from what we can (radical authoritarianism, glorification of war and violence) it's quite bad yes
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Postby Amuricio » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:30 pm

Not only bad, but very very bad.

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Postby East Ormania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:32 pm

If one does not mistake Facism with Nazism then it's not tottally a bad thing.
In fact, some ideas of facism, such as more patriotic propagand are so bad.
The Serbian Empire wrote:It's an oppressive system prone to war and/or genocide. Good in theory, but in practice it never ends up well.

Just like communism. It can end up a good thing tough. If the leader is not a genocidal maniac.
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Postby Mewtinigrad » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:34 pm

Fascism is one of those things where not only is it bad in practice, it's also pretty shitty in theory too. An ideology focused around extreme nationalism, xenophobia, imperialism, and most of all the perceived inequality of mankind sounds nightmarish to me.
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Postby Imperilia » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:37 pm

"Its the greatest! not only that we get protected daily but with fair wages, a good police force and an excellent military!. were always safe from harm fascism is the Norm!

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:38 pm

Equestrian Territories wrote:I recently visited the website of the now-disbanded Fascist Party of America. Fascism is most commonly associated with Nazism, even though the two concepts don't go hand-in-hand. However, there are some neat aspects to the fascist ideology: state before self, regulated (but free) market, healthy nationalist pride, etc.

So, what's everyone's take on the matter? Is fascism a system of oppression or liberation? Could it survive and thrive in a modern nation, or is it doomed to remain a relic of bygone ages? Is it a guiding beacon of what a state could be, or is it an ugly reminder of what it is only a few bad days away from becoming?

Well its decent if its Peronist.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:39 pm

Mewtinigrad wrote:Fascism is one of those things where not only is it bad in practice, it's also pretty shitty in theory too. An ideology focused around extreme nationalism, xenophobia, imperialism, and most of all the perceived inequality of mankind sounds nightmarish to me.

Sounds decent to me.
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Postby Utceforp » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:39 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:It's an oppressive system prone to war and/or genocide. Good in theory, but in practice it never ends up well.

Most things that are "good in theory", aren't, and tend to end badly. I'm gonna go with "it's bad" as well.
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Postby Shaggai » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:40 pm

Imperilia wrote:"Its the greatest! not only that we get protected daily but with fair wages, a good police force and an excellent military!. were always safe from harm fascism is the Norm!

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:40 pm

While I admit that fascism is not as bad as nazism and is not necessarily evil.....

We're talking about FASCISM......
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:40 pm

Most, if not, all extreme ideologies fail in my opinion. That goes for Fascism, which is both horrible in practice and even in theory.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:41 pm

Pandeeria wrote:Most, if not, all extreme ideologies fail in my opinion. That goes for Fascism, which is both horrible in practice and even in theory.

what of Peronist Fascism? A strong capitalist system with enormous social programs.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:42 pm

Fascism is FABULOUS! Especially when you accessorize with leather.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:43 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Most, if not, all extreme ideologies fail in my opinion. That goes for Fascism, which is both horrible in practice and even in theory.

what of Peronist Fascism? A strong capitalist system with enormous social programs.


It's pretty authoritarian. And with corporatist traits. Doesn't seem that good to me.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:43 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:Fascism is FABULOUS! Especially when you accessorize with leather.

Its fabs with leather....See even NFP agrees.


I was thinking Black leather would be the best.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:44 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:what of Peronist Fascism? A strong capitalist system with enormous social programs.


It's pretty authoritarian. And with corporatist traits. Doesn't seem that good to me.

But you admit its better than _____[insert ideology here]_________?????
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:45 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
It's pretty authoritarian. And with corporatist traits. Doesn't seem that good to me.

But you admit its better than _____[insert ideology here]_________?????


Depends on the inserted ideology. :p

Seems better then other forms of fascism though. But that's not saying much, as I think fascism is amongst the worst of ideologies.
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Mewtinigrad » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:46 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mewtinigrad wrote:Fascism is one of those things where not only is it bad in practice, it's also pretty shitty in theory too. An ideology focused around extreme nationalism, xenophobia, imperialism, and most of all the perceived inequality of mankind sounds nightmarish to me.

Sounds decent to me.

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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:47 pm

Fascism isn't a person, so it can't be good or bad - it can only be as good or bad as the people who wield the power. Same as any other ideology including the so sacred and untouchable capitalist liberal democracy.

History consistently shows that all ideologies ever implemented in practice begin with the best of intents and then sooner or later eventually devolve into cesspools of shit and piss. Power corrupts, I guess... Universally.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:49 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Fascism isn't a person, so it can't be good or bad - it can only be as good or bad as the people who wield the power. Same as any other ideology including the so sacred and untouchable capitalist liberal democracy.

History consistently shows that all ideologies ever implemented in practice begin with the best of intents and then sooner or later eventually devolve into cesspools of shit and piss. Power corrupts, I guess... Universally.

Some ideologies (take communism for example) are inherently evil as they place society above the individual.
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Postby Utceforp » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:50 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Fascism isn't a person, so it can't be good or bad - it can only be as good or bad as the people who wield the power. Same as any other ideology including the so sacred and untouchable capitalist liberal democracy.

History consistently shows that all ideologies ever implemented in practice begin with the best of intents and then sooner or later eventually devolve into cesspools of shit and piss. Power corrupts, I guess... Universally.

Fascism puts a lot of power in the hands of a few people right away, so the corrupting-stuff happens relatively quickly. Hitler was pretty crazy by the end.
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