Transgender-ism and Pronouns

[Starkindler]

During the discussion of Pvt. Manning the issue of pronouns and transgender issues came up. With some rather douchey members referring to Chelsea Manning as 'it'. So my question is is it acceptable to refer to someone who is transgender as 'it'?

My opinion is that it isn't acceptable.


Now lets see if we can reach a consensus on this issue faster that the Mods can.

Pronouns in the case of cisgendered (ie. normal, not transgendered) people are trivial.
MtF (Male to Female) transgendered people should be called 'she'. (she/her/hers)
FtM (Female to Male) transgendered people should be called 'he' (he/him/his)
[tumblr]-gendered people might request the usage of exotic gender-neutral pronouns. It's polite to honor their request, however, for people with ambiguous or no gender identification, singular they (they/them/their) can be used.
It (it/it/its) should be used for inanimate objects ONLY.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

There are no such thing as races Hippo.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/human-genome-project-announces-race-does-not-exist
http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

Don't perpetuate the malicious inventions of imperialist racists.

B-b-but CULTURAL MARXISM!

And as for national identities, isn't it a tad ironic that a Finn who thinks he's American thinks hard-defined national identities are good?

You expect sense from someone who thinks "TRANZ SECKZ-YOU-ULS ARE MARXISMISTERS?"

[The Patriarchal States]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog, do people actually have to acknowledge me as a dog provided I honestly believe that, and if people don't do that are they being bigoted? If they don't have to, will they have to in the future?

This is a world I haven't been exposed because I have not ever visited Tumblr and I'm not getting a degree Gender Studies or anything like that.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I'm a transphobe as much as I'm an autistphobe or a schitzophreniaphobe. I don't like any medically diagnosed disorders.

So my Gender Dysphoria is as bad as autism and schizophrenia?! And you dislike autistic and schizophrenic people?!

Who cares about Hippo, dear, he's just some annoying fanatical wannabe American *is slightly autistic*

[Lost heros]

Cópula?

Foder/transar/fazer amor/tchaca tchaca na butchaca?

I forgot, Spanish technically has three words for "be" if you count the third person of "haber".

This has nothing to do with the thread whatsoever. Please stop threadjacking.

[Ifreann]

Has Hippo ever read any of the reports on how trans* folk tend to be happier when they identify as they want to and how many who are reassigned live happier after the surgery than before?

Because I have a feeling he hasn't.

I have a feeling he couldn't give two shits whether trans people are happy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

El espaniol es casi igual

Seriously, Latin languages are not that hard across each other. They use the same syntax and verb structure so it's relatively easy to translate between one another.

Just learn Portuguese before Spanish and everything is fine.

I hate the accent of foreigners (especially Anglophones) who seem to think Portuguese is just some kind of Spanish. Perhaps the worst I've ever come across.

I would feel insulted too if that was to happen.

Then again, that's the deficiency of the Latin languages, that foreigners seem to think that as long as you know how to pronunciate one, you know them all. And someone with experience and listened to Italians, Portuguese, and being Hispanic here can tell you, they are never the same.

[Nevanmaa]

Has Hippo ever read any of the reports on how trans* folk tend to be happier when they identify as they want to and how many who are reassigned live happier after the surgery than before?

Because I have a feeling he hasn't.

Sure, I'd be a lot happier if I were an American.

But I'm not an American. I do not have US citizenship nor do I have an American passport.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Has Hippo ever read any of the reports on how trans* folk tend to be happier when they identify as they want to and how many who are reassigned live happier after the surgery than before?

Because I have a feeling he hasn't.

Even if he did read such reports, he wouldn't care. Their happiness isn't as important as making sure women stay in their place and men rule over them.

[Rastynhaven]

Don't be a douche and just call the transperson in question whatever pronoun they prefer.

[Condunum]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog, do people actually have to acknowledge me as a dog provided I honestly believe that, and if people don't do that are they being bigoted? If they don't have to, will they have to in the future?

This is a world I haven't been exposed because I have not ever visited Tumblr and I'm not getting a degree Gender Studies or anything like that.

Tumblr has more than SJW, you know. We have fandoms... And... Fandoms...

Anyway, I suppose. I mean, you can be a dog. It's a bit weird, and I feel it might be a result of some sort of traumatic experience in your life, but if it isn't then sure, whatever, be a dog.

[Bezombia]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog, do people actually have to acknowledge me as a dog provided I honestly believe that, and if people don't do that are they being bigoted? If they don't have to, will they have to in the future?

This is a world I haven't been exposed because I have not ever visited Tumblr and I'm not getting a degree Gender Studies or anything like that.

"Dog" is not a natural state of being for a non-defective human being.
"Male", "Female" is.

[Lost heros]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog, do people actually have to acknowledge me as a dog provided I honestly believe that, and if people don't do that are they being bigoted? If they don't have to, will they have to in the future?

This is a world I haven't been exposed because I have not ever visited Tumblr and I'm not getting a degree Gender Studies or anything like that.

If you can get a psychiatrist or a therapist to say you are a dog, without bribing them, then we'll talk.

[Ifreann]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog...

Oh wow, how original! Truly you are a giant among thinkers, a great leader among philosophers. Please, share more of your wisdom with us, master.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog, do people actually have to acknowledge me as a dog provided I honestly believe that, and if people don't do that are they being bigoted? If they don't have to, will they have to in the future?

This is a world I haven't been exposed because I have not ever visited Tumblr and I'm not getting a degree Gender Studies or anything like that.

Way to not give a shit whether you understand the plight of trans* people or not.

[Conscentia]

B-b-but CULTURAL MARXISM!
And as for national identities, isn't it a tad ironic that a Finn who thinks he's American thinks hard-defined national identities are good?

You expect sense from someone who thinks "TRANZ SECKZ-YOU-ULS ARE MARXISMISTERS?"

Hippo isn't stupid. He's entirely capable of sense.

[Condunum]

Has Hippo ever read any of the reports on how trans* folk tend to be happier when they identify as they want to and how many who are reassigned live happier after the surgery than before?

Because I have a feeling he hasn't.

Sure, I'd be a lot happier if I were an American.

But I'm not an American. I do not have US citizenship nor do I have an American passport.

Your analogies fucking suck, hippo. Just stop trying.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Cópula?

Foder/transar/fazer amor/tchaca tchaca na butchaca?

I forgot, Spanish technically has three words for "be" if you count the third person of "haber".

Haver/haber got persons? I thought it was one of the inflexible verbs such as chover/llover.

But it makes more sense than English. Don't blame us if you like cavemen-style and your language got too simplified. -_-

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Has Hippo ever read any of the reports on how trans* folk tend to be happier when they identify as they want to and how many who are reassigned live happier after the surgery than before?

Because I have a feeling he hasn't.

Sure, I'd be a lot happier if I were an American.

But I'm not an American. I do not have US citizenship nor do I have an American passport.

So in your opinion men and women from different classes and races should stay within their own narrow confines and never expose themselves to other cultures, classes of people, and other alternative lifestyles? Seriously?

[Condunum]

You expect sense from someone who thinks "TRANZ SECKZ-YOU-ULS ARE MARXISMISTERS?"

Hippo isn't stupid. He's entirely capable of sense.

No, he's not. He's capable of having opinions that we may occasionally agree with, but he isn't capable of sense. He never shows any capacity for such.

[The Patriarchal States]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog, do people actually have to acknowledge me as a dog provided I honestly believe that, and if people don't do that are they being bigoted? If they don't have to, will they have to in the future?

This is a world I haven't been exposed because I have not ever visited Tumblr and I'm not getting a degree Gender Studies or anything like that.

Tumblr has more than SJW, you know. We have fandoms... And... Fandoms...

Anyway, I suppose. I mean, you can be a dog. It's a bit weird, and I feel it might be a result of some sort of traumatic experience in your life, but if it isn't then sure, whatever, be a dog.

But I'm not a dog, and I wouldn't be a dog even if I honestly believed I was, or even if I wore a dog costume everywhere or surgically gave myself fur or something. SJWs still have to do the mental gymnastics or accept me as a dog or I can call them bigots, right? And this applies to anything, right? I can say I'm a house plant, or a black woman, or a Polish train conductor or a package of CDs and they always need to accept that?

[Bezombia]

You expect sense from someone who thinks "TRANZ SECKZ-YOU-ULS ARE MARXISMISTERS?"

Hippo isn't stupid. He's entirely capable of sense.

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.

But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

[Lost heros]

Has Hippo ever read any of the reports on how trans* folk tend to be happier when they identify as they want to and how many who are reassigned live happier after the surgery than before?

Because I have a feeling he hasn't.

Sure, I'd be a lot happier if I were an American.

But I'm not an American. I do not have US citizenship nor do I have an American passport.

(this is a horrible analogy, but regardless)
You can change the state of your citizenship just as someone can change their gender.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So, scholars of pronouns and privilege-checking, I need your help understanding things.

If I say I'm a dog...

Oh wow, how original! Truly you are a giant among thinkers, a great leader among philosophers. Please, share more of your wisdom with us, master.

Must you always be THIS sarcastic?

[Ifreann]

Tumblr has more than SJW, you know. We have fandoms... And... Fandoms...

Anyway, I suppose. I mean, you can be a dog. It's a bit weird, and I feel it might be a result of some sort of traumatic experience in your life, but if it isn't then sure, whatever, be a dog.

But I'm not a dog, and I wouldn't be a dog even if I honestly believed I was, or even if I wore a dog costume everywhere or surgically gave myself fur or something. SJWs still have to do the mental gymnastics or accept me as a dog or I can call them bigots, right? And this applies to anything, right? I can say I'm a house plant, or a black woman, or a Polish train conductor or a package of CDs and they always need to accept that?

Yes, this is literally and exactly what trans people want. Congratulations on being the first to solve the mystery.