How does gay marriage undermine straight marriage?

[Gauthier]

Anyone who thinks gay marriage threatens heterosexual marriages is probably scared of finding out they're gay themselves.

[Tekania]

Anyone who thinks gay marriage threatens heterosexual marriages is probably scared of finding out they're gay themselves.

This could be right...

[Tech-gnosis]

Gay marriage undermines straight marriages because gay marriages are vastly superior to straight marriages. This will cause heterosexuals to realize the mistakes they made by seeking opposite sex partners. Millions of straight couples will break up so that former straights will choose to become gay, since homosexuality is a choice. Heterosexuality and thus heterosexual marriages are fragile things and can only survive through coercion.

[Chumblywumbly]

On the subject, woop woop to Washington DC.

[The Parkus Empire]

Where's that "evil aura" picture when you need it?

Fred Phelps is busy using it...

Opps, sorry, wrong photo... You can tell it's easy to scramble the two....

[Braaainsss]

On the subject, woop woop to Washington DC.

The Catholic Church's reaction shows how gay marriage might be construed to "undermine" straight marriage. To avoid having to give benefits to same-sex couples, they cut off marriage benefits entirely. The idea of marriage is that there is a special class of people who get extra social benefits. Broaden that class and you undermine its exclusivity. It's like how letting in black people undermined country clubs.

[Bottle]

Equality is a slippery slope, people, and if you give it to the gays you have to give it to the polygamists and if you give it to the polygamists you have to give it to the serial dog molesters and if you give it to the serial dog molesters you have to give it to the machine fetishists and the next thing you know you're being tied up by a trio of polygamist lesbian powerbooks and you can't get out because the safety word is case sensistive!

[Ermarian]

It lets off excess gaydiation. Promiscuous single fags have higher energy. When they settle down, they lose energy. The conservation of fabulosity says that homo energy has to go somewhere, so it's let off as gaydiation. When unsuspecting Christian married people get hit by it, they suddenly want to design fashion and get fucked in the ass if male, or fuck other women in the ass and embrace radical "kill all men" feminism if female. Both genders suddenly find themselves accepting evolution and worshiping Satan as a result.

I like your style.

[Antiacedia]

I have never heard any real explanation for why "Gay marriage will destroy traditional marriage".

Therefore, I must assume that the only logical solution is that the argument is false.

I've never heard any real explanation either, but that doesn't mean I can assume there is no logic. I'm looking for the explanation, and when someone posts saying there is none or just insults the opposing view, I'm less likely to get that explanation.

Happy now?
disclaimer: I don't believe the clap trap I posted, it is from this link.

I'm still concerned that this link doesn't explicate. If it doesn't go into the theory too much I tend to think it can't be representative, in the same sense that you can't take most of what msnbc says as the liberal stance because they have too heavy a bias. This is a lot like taking the Fox news statement as the conservative stance. If you take the pundits' word for things everyone ends up looking like an idiot.

Plus it doesn't help that the one piece of evidence that he sights, the change in marriage-age, is dismissable if you so much as read the rest of the sentence.

I also feel compelled to point out that the author's summation said the number of marriages went down, but the actual refernce said the average age of those getting married went up. So was the first one right or the second one? It didn't sound like they thought those details weren't the same. Not exactly great reporting if the author can't even summerize their article correctly.

There's a line in that DC artical that reads, "Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Washington on Tuesday limited employee health care benefits to avoid coverage of same-sex couples." Rather alarming really. They are so dead-set against gay marriage they're willing to hurt straight people. It doesn't really address finding out what the theory they're advocating is, but it's worth mentioning.

[The_pantless_hero]

Because gay marriage can only occur by sacrificing a member of the same sex that is in a heterosexual marriage.

[Jello Biafra]

Everybody knows that the only reason heterosexuality exists is because marriage is a social institution exclusively for one man and one woman. Without heterosexual-only marriage, there'd be no heterosexual consummation of the marriage, no babies, and ultimately, no human race.

[Tekania]

Everybody knows that the only reason heterosexuality exists is because marriage is a social institution exclusively for one man and one woman. Without heterosexual-only marriage, there'd be no heterosexual consummation of the marriage, no babies, and ultimately, no human race.

:nods:

Yes, because clearly, without any doubt and proven by repeated research and testing (The same extensive research and testing done to prove that married homosexual couples can't be good parents)... If we were to allow homosexuals to marry, then only homosexuals would marry... There would no longer be any children and the human race would become extinct... Clearly we must stop this from happening...

[Unchecked Expansion]

Equality is a slippery slope, people, and if you give it to the gays you have to give it to the polygamists and if you give it to the polygamists you have to give it to the serial dog molesters and if you give it to the serial dog molesters you have to give it to the machine fetishists and the next thing you know you're being tied up by a trio of polygamist lesbian powerbooks and you can't get out because the safety word is case sensistive!

Counter argument: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1748#comic
Gotta love slippery slopes. They help me work on my skiing technique

[Flameswroth]

The Marriage OmniComplex
*nods*

[Neesika]

The same way that cubic zerconia undermines a diamond.

I'm sorry, what?

You claim to be in law school, so I'm going to expect a better argument out of you than a flip one sentence reply.

You are aware that diamonds are no less valuable for there being cubic zirconium, are you not?

[The_pantless_hero]

The same way that cubic zerconia undermines a diamond.

I'm sorry, what?

You claim to be in law school, so I'm going to expect a better argument out of you than a flip one sentence reply.

You are aware that diamonds are no less valuable for there being cubic zirconium, are you not?

It is pretty hard to devalue something that is only valuable because of collusion, monopoly, and marketing.

[Neesika]

It lets off excess gaydiation. Promiscuous single fags have higher energy. When they settle down, they lose energy. The conservation of fabulosity says that homo energy has to go somewhere, so it's let off as gaydiation. When unsuspecting Christian married people get hit by it, they suddenly want to design fashion and get fucked in the ass if male, or fuck other women in the ass and embrace radical "kill all men" feminism if female. Both genders suddenly find themselves accepting evolution and worshiping Satan as a result.

Well, if they are so worried about it, why don't they simply start carrying around gayger-counters....

Because teh ghey will be everywhere and there will be no way to avoid the gaydiation. It'll put the Cher in Chernobyl.

These are quite possibly the most wonderful posts ever made.

[Neesika]

It lets off excess gaydiation. Promiscuous single fags have higher energy. When they settle down, they lose energy. The conservation of fabulosity says that homo energy has to go somewhere, so it's let off as gaydiation. When unsuspecting Christian married people get hit by it, they suddenly want to design fashion and get fucked in the ass if male, or fuck other women in the ass and embrace radical "kill all men" feminism if female. Both genders suddenly find themselves accepting evolution and worshiping Satan as a result.

If this isn't a sarcastic comment, which I belive it is, then show how gay people cause Married people to become gay.

This is a good example of the dropping IQ level of posters on NSG.

[Neesika]

I'm not religious (although I suppose I am, what with pascal's wager and all), and I don't feel comfortable with Gay Marriage. Of course, I think it is dangerous for governments to say "You can't get married because marriage is between a man and woman because God says so"... So, I have mixed feelings. I suppose the government shouldn't outlaw it, but I would feel a bit more comfortable if they came up with another word for it, with the exact same rights as a married straight couple. I think "marriage" is man and woman. I don't know why, maybe I'm just a blind traditionalist, but hey, traditions are good things (unless they are malicious) which is why gay people should be able to get "Larried".


I'm here all week!

Good?

No?

Fine.

They loved me in Altoona!

You don't have to live next to me, just give me my equality...

I never agreed with that line, to be honest. "Get used to me, and give me my damn equality" would have been better.

[Neesika]

The same way that cubic zerconia undermines a diamond.

Could you go into that a little more? It's not like the market value of marriage will drop on the open market.

Cubic Zerconia tries to look like a real diamond, but really it just ends up hurting the value of real diamonds as it floods the marketplace and to the untrained eye, the flaws of zerconia appear to be the flaws of a diamond..

I hope you never try to make such an awful analogy when forming a legal argument.

[Flameswroth]

The same way that cubic zerconia undermines a diamond.

Could you go into that a little more? It's not like the market value of marriage will drop on the open market.

Cubic Zerconia tries to look like a real diamond, but really it just ends up hurting the value of real diamonds as it floods the marketplace and to the untrained eye, the flaws of zerconia appear to be the flaws of a diamond..

As Nosferatu Sam Neill would say, "There will always be people willing to pay more for the real thing."

[Ifreann]

The same way that cubic zerconia undermines a diamond.

Could you go into that a little more? It's not like the market value of marriage will drop on the open market.

Cubic Zerconia tries to look like a real diamond, but really it just ends up hurting the value of real diamonds as it floods the marketplace and to the untrained eye, the flaws of zerconia appear to be the flaws of a diamond..

As Nosferatu Sam Neill would say, "There will always be people willing to pay more for the real thing."

Next step in the protection of the sanctity of marriage: Creating a new institution that's almost exactly like marriage, but costs 500 times more and is explicitly designed only for opposite sex couples.

[Neesika]

Equality is a slippery slope, people, and if you give it to the gays you have to give it to the polygamists and if you give it to the polygamists you have to give it to the serial dog molesters and if you give it to the serial dog molesters you have to give it to the machine fetishists and the next thing you know you're being tied up by a trio of polygamist lesbian powerbooks and you can't get out because the safety word is case sensistive!

Actually this IS an argument I hear most often. Which always amuses me since the majority of polygamists out there are fundamental Christian sects.

It pains me, but it does bring up a valid point. If we recognise that it is unjust and/or unconstitutional to restrict marriage to opposite sex couples, there is a VERY good argument to be made for polygamous marriages. Which I don't really have a problem with, to be honest. There is a case on polygamy working through the upper level courts here in Canada, which may eventually hit the Supreme Court. Right now, the case is based on 'freedom of religion', which is a shame. Hopefully it will not remain so narrowly construed.

The point is, people who bring up the slippery slope argument would have a legitimate argument if they actually understood the issues, but they would still have to explain why gay marriage or polygamy is inherently double plus ungood. Which is not somewhere most of those opposing such things are able to do. It's difficult to even get them to discuss the issue past "IZ BAAAD!", as this thread highlights well.

Fine, this is a polarising topic, and yes you will get shit on if you oppose gay marriage in certain areas, but if you really have a problem with it, fucking suck it up and explain it! If your 'problem' lacks any rational, logical, or persuasive merit, then perhaps you should look harder at it?

I'm just saying is all, Bottle, you gay hater you.

Fuck I wish there was a better way to segue from a direct second person 'you' to the indirect indefinite 'you'.

[Flameswroth]

The same way that cubic zerconia undermines a diamond.

Could you go into that a little more? It's not like the market value of marriage will drop on the open market.

Cubic Zerconia tries to look like a real diamond, but really it just ends up hurting the value of real diamonds as it floods the marketplace and to the untrained eye, the flaws of zerconia appear to be the flaws of a diamond..

As Nosferatu Sam Neill would say, "There will always be people willing to pay more for the real thing."

Next step in the protection of the sanctity of marriage: Creating a new institution that's almost exactly like marriage, but costs 500 times more and is explicitly designed only for opposite sex couples.

Hmmm....Cadillac* marriages, eh? I hope they at least give you a plaque and some sort of wallet-size certification so you can brag about it to all your friends. That'd be pretty sweet!

*I am in no way implying that the Cadillac brand is sold exclusively to heterosexuals

[Ifreann]

The same way that cubic zerconia undermines a diamond.

Could you go into that a little more? It's not like the market value of marriage will drop on the open market.

Cubic Zerconia tries to look like a real diamond, but really it just ends up hurting the value of real diamonds as it floods the marketplace and to the untrained eye, the flaws of zerconia appear to be the flaws of a diamond..

As Nosferatu Sam Neill would say, "There will always be people willing to pay more for the real thing."

Next step in the protection of the sanctity of marriage: Creating a new institution that's almost exactly like marriage, but costs 500 times more and is explicitly designed only for opposite sex couples.

Hmmm....Cadillac* marriages, eh? I hope they at least give you a plaque and some sort of wallet-size certification so you can brag about it to all your friends. That'd be pretty sweet!

*I am in no way implying that the Cadillac brand is sold exclusively to heterosexuals

Instead of wedding rings, you get solid gold wedding gloves. Jewels are optional, but encouraged.