Who wrote the Bible?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

As a person who read all of the Torah, I also noticed such a thing:
Why does in one place he is called Hadonai (In Judaism we don't say Yaweh but Hadonai) and at the other Elohim? And Shaddai?

But I didn't notice the different dialects, they are written in pretty much the same style (At least in the original language Hebrew in which I read in).


The Tanakh is divided to three,
the religious part,
and the historic part,
the mixed parts.

The religious parts include the prophets, the heavenly explanation to historic events etc.
The historic parts include the kings, the wars, the revolution, the exile etc.
The mixed parts include the exodus, destruction of Sodom and Gemora etc.

The historic parts are real,
now, I personally do not believe the religious parts.

I must say you did a large research there.

Interesting.

By the way, there are few books in which we know who wrote:
For example, Solomon wrote:
Mishlei
Tehilim
and Song of Songs.

Are you sure about that? Persian loanwords present in Song of Songs indicates a post-Exilic authorship.

[Jehuddah]

As a person who read all of the Torah, I also noticed such a thing:
Why does in one place he is called Hadonai (In Judaism we don't say Yaweh but Hadonai) and at the other Elohim? And Shaddai?

But I didn't notice the different dialects, they are written in pretty much the same style (At least in the original language Hebrew in which I read in).


The Tanakh is divided to three,
the religious part,
and the historic part,
the mixed parts.

The religious parts include the prophets, the heavenly explanation to historic events etc.
The historic parts include the kings, the wars, the revolution, the exile etc.
The mixed parts include the exodus, destruction of Sodom and Gemora etc.

The historic parts are real,
now, I personally do not believe the religious parts.

I must say you did a large research there.

Interesting.

By the way, there are few books in which we know who wrote:
For example, Solomon wrote:
Mishlei
Tehilim
and Song of Songs.

Are you sure about that? Persian loanwords present in Song of Songs indicates a post-Exilic authorship.

The author claims to be Solomon:

The Song of Songs, which is Solomon's.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It's not particularly ludicrous, because one of the religions (Judaism) forms the theological and textual basis for the other two. When we observe Yahweh's origins, it's undeniable that he comes from a wider pantheon of gods that were eventually phased out because of political motives, and doesn't particularly suggest the interference of Yahweh in this transition from polytheism to monotheism.

Key word in your arguement is 'particularly', if we accept that God allows most things to happen ('good' and 'bad') then I'm sure he could have allowed some politicians to declare him the one true God.

But this wasn't his interference, it was the work of the Deuteronomist attempting to achieve King Josiah's political aims.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Interesting.


Are you sure about that? Persian loanwords present in Song of Songs indicates a post-Exilic authorship.

The author claims to be Solomon:

The Song of Songs, which is Solomon's.

Just because the author claims to be Solomon, doesn't mean they were.

Unless, of course, you accept I'm actually Gilgamesh.

[Jehuddah]

Interesting.


Are you sure about that? Persian loanwords present in Song of Songs indicates a post-Exilic authorship.

The author claims to be Solomon:

The Song of Songs, which is Solomon's.

Oh sorry, not Tehilim, but Kohelet was written by Solomon.

[Pravengria]

Where's the "who knows" option?

Added.

If I remember right, the exact composition that made up the bible during most of the middle ages, was created by the Romans, who decided what went in and what didn't. The first bible however, was written by the Greeks, before being translated into Hebrew. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

That's wrong in so many ways.

Did say correct me if I'm wrong lol, but the first bible was written in Greek. Not saying the Greeks created the content of it btw.

[Jehuddah]

Interesting.


Are you sure about that? Persian loanwords present in Song of Songs indicates a post-Exilic authorship.

The author claims to be Solomon:

The Song of Songs, which is Solomon's.

And:

The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel, [are];

The words of Koheleth son of David, king in Jerusalem.

The interesting thing in Kohelet is that he doesn't call himself Solomon but Koheleth.
But he does mention he is Son of David, and King in Jerusalem so he must be Solomon.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

The author claims to be Solomon:

Oh sorry, not Tehilim, but Kohelet was written by Solomon.

Once again, that has Persian loanwords that date it to at least 500 years after Solomon.

[Jehuddah]

The author claims to be Solomon:

Just because the author claims to be Solomon, doesn't mean they were.

Unless, of course, you accept I'm actually Gilgamesh.

You can't be 100% sure about that, but it makes sense that he wrote it, except for that he actually claims to write that.

[The Realm of God]

Key word in your arguement is 'particularly', if we accept that God allows most things to happen ('good' and 'bad') then I'm sure he could have allowed some politicians to declare him the one true God.

But this wasn't his interference, it was the work of the Deuteronomist attempting to achieve King Josiah's political aims.

And God, who is powerful to the extent that he can do anything within his nature, couldn't have discreetly influenced a situation in which he would be proclaimed the one true God, I.e moved the heart of the King and the author of Deuteronomy I.e moved the heart of the author to write down his Law as well as engineering the Kings request thus ensuring that Judaism is created. There is nothing in the Bible that says he has to interfere in the Brian Blessed style shouting matches complete with burning brushes.

When we are talking about nearly all powerful deities we can't impose a limit on what they can or can't do.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Added.


That's wrong in so many ways.

Did say correct me if I'm wrong lol, but the first bible was written in Greek.

You should try reading the OP, it explains everything.

The Tanakh (what we call the Old Testament) was originally written in Biblical Hebrew, although some books are believed to have been originally written in Aramaic (like Daniel).

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Just because the author claims to be Solomon, doesn't mean they were.

Unless, of course, you accept I'm actually Gilgamesh.

You can't be 100% sure about that, but it makes sense that he wrote it, except for that he actually claims to write that.

It doesn't make sense that he wrote it, because the book contains words that didn't enter Hebrew until 5 centuries after he died.

[Jehuddah]

Did say correct me if I'm wrong lol, but the first bible was written in Greek.

You should try reading the OP, it explains everything.

The Tanakh (what we call the Old Testament) was originally written in Biblical Hebrew, although some books are believed to have been originally written in Aramaic (like Daniel).

A part of Daniel and Ezra are in Aramaic. (Not ALL but parts)

[Jehuddah]

You can't be 100% sure about that, but it makes sense that he wrote it, except for that he actually claims to write that.

It doesn't make sense that he wrote it, because the book contains words that didn't enter Hebrew until 5 centuries after he died.

Really? Can you source it?

[The Realm of God]

Added.


That's wrong in so many ways.

Did say correct me if I'm wrong lol, but the first bible was written in Greek. Not saying the Greeks created the content of it btw.

The New Testament was written in Koine at a time when Jews were heavily hellenised and the lingua franca and the language of their common scriptures the Septuagint was Koine Greek. The word Pharisee refers to a teacher who did not adopt hellenistic and taught in the old languages.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

You should try reading the OP, it explains everything.

The Tanakh (what we call the Old Testament) was originally written in Biblical Hebrew, although some books are believed to have been originally written in Aramaic (like Daniel).

A part of Daniel and Ezra are in Aramaic. (Not ALL but parts)

There is some scholarly debate as to whether Daniel was originally entirely written in Aramaic.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

But this wasn't his interference, it was the work of the Deuteronomist attempting to achieve King Josiah's political aims.

And God, who is powerful to the extent that he can do anything within his nature, couldn't have discreetly influenced a situation in which he would be proclaimed the one true God, I.e moved the heart of the King and the author of Deuteronomy I.e moved the heart of the author to write down his Law as well as engineering the Kings request thus ensuring that Judaism is created. There is nothing in the Bible that says he has to interfere in the Brian Blessed style shouting matches complete with burning brushes.

When we are talking about nearly all powerful deities we can't impose a limit on what they can or can't do.

I guess our disagreements at this point are subjective.

[Surfistan]

God obviously


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[The Realm of God]

And God, who is powerful to the extent that he can do anything within his nature, couldn't have discreetly influenced a situation in which he would be proclaimed the one true God, I.e moved the heart of the King and the author of Deuteronomy I.e moved the heart of the author to write down his Law as well as engineering the Kings request thus ensuring that Judaism is created. There is nothing in the Bible that says he has to interfere in the Brian Blessed style shouting matches complete with burning brushes.

When we are talking about nearly all powerful deities we can't impose a limit on what they can or can't do.

I guess our disagreements at this point are subjective.

I knew you'd get my reasoning eventually, I'm approaching it from the standpoint of a theologian under the assumption that the deity exists and acts as theology says they should. If we are going to argue the existence of such a deity....well that's for another thread.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It doesn't make sense that he wrote it, because the book contains words that didn't enter Hebrew until 5 centuries after he died.

Really? Can you source it?

Okay, here we go.

Take, for example, Song of Songs Chapter 4 Verse 13:

Your plants are an orchard of pomegranates
with choice fruits,
with henna and nard,

And in Hebrew:

יג שְׁלָחַיִךְ פַּרְדֵּס רִמּוֹנִים, עִם פְּרִי מְגָדִים: כְּפָרִים, עִם-נְרָדִים.

Here פַּרְדֵּס or "pardes" is a loanword for "orchard" from Persian. The Achaemenid Empire didn't control Babylon or Yehud until 5 hundred years after Solomon.

[The Truth and Light]

This is literally the most fascinating OP I have read in years.

[Ifreann]

Well it wasn't me.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

This is literally the most fascinating OP I have read in years.

*takes a bow*

Well it wasn't me.

I thought you agreed not to lie?

[Menassa]

You are all aware of the Bible's Laws of not planting during every seventh year.

Well if an entire agrarian nation doesn't plant in one year... will most of them not die? How can they resolve this?

Crop rotation maybe... store up some food maybe... no the Bible says not to do that.

Say what you want about Biblical Authors but they said this Leviticus 25:20

You may ask, “What will we eat in the seventh year if we do not plant or harvest our crops?” I will send you such a blessing in the sixth year that the land will yield enough for three years. While you plant during the eighth year, you will eat from the old crop and will continue to eat from it until the harvest of the ninth year comes in.

Now what bronze age agrarian people would accept this upon themselves?

Food for thought.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

You are all aware of the Bible's Laws of not planting during every seventh year.

Well if an entire agrarian nation doesn't plant in one year... will most of them not die? How can they resolve this?

Crop rotation maybe... store up some food maybe... no the Bible says not to do that.

Say what you want about Biblical Authors but they said this Leviticus 25:20

You may ask, “What will we eat in the seventh year if we do not plant or harvest our crops?” I will send you such a blessing in the sixth year that the land will yield enough for three years. While you plant during the eighth year, you will eat from the old crop and will continue to eat from it until the harvest of the ninth year comes in.

Now what bronze age agrarian people would accept this upon themselves?

Food for thought.

What's your point?