by Yes Im Biop » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:03 pm
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by Bhelyant » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:22 pm
by Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:39 pm
Bhelyant wrote:If nobody else minds, I'll start with the first question...
How feasible would engine blocks made out of compacted graphite iron be for a developing nation? I'll be honest and say my only machining experience has been with steel and aluminum, and it seems like CGI is still in it's infancy.
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Bhelyant » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:51 pm
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Bhelyant wrote:If nobody else minds, I'll start with the first question...
How feasible would engine blocks made out of compacted graphite iron be for a developing nation? I'll be honest and say my only machining experience has been with steel and aluminum, and it seems like CGI is still in it's infancy.
Not feasible in the least unless you shipped it in from somewhere else unfortunately
by Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:59 pm
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:35 pm
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Bhelyant » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:51 pm
by Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:05 pm
Bhelyant wrote:Maybe developing world wasn't the best description? Not like third world developing world, but one that's making honest strides to move forward (or at least as honest as you can move forward choked with bureaucracy)
I was thinking the engine in question would be for a lightweight 4x4 similar to the Suzuki Samurai and Toyota Blizzard, and another one for something similar to a 70-series.
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Bhelyant » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:38 pm
Vitaphone Racing wrote:So India and China in other words? Trying to be modern and move forward fits them to a t.
Then there's not really much point in trying to strive for modernity or technology if you're competing in this class of vehicle.
Here's a demonstration:(Image)(Image)
If you're buying a 70-Series (or a Samurai/Blizzard etc.), it's because you don't give a fuck about anything other than the off-road ability and the ruggedness of the car in general. This is why the 70 Series has barely changed since the 70's and why Toyota created the 100 and 200 series of Landcruiser. The 70 Series is a no-compromises work truck which is dead easy to repair and will last forever, the people who buy it don't care about the fuel consumption nor it's power output if it means paying extra up front and not lasting as long. The engine in the 70 series is already nearly 25 years old and Toyota still has no plans to replace it (except in Australia where they were forced to use something else).
Even in the 200-Series market, the value of lightweight efficient engines isn't strong enough for people to care too much about them. If you were making a crossover SUV or something that's a fashion statement like an X5 or a Range Rover, it'd be different.
by Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:04 pm
Bhelyant wrote:Vitaphone Racing wrote:So India and China in other words? Trying to be modern and move forward fits them to a t.
pretty much ^.^Then there's not really much point in trying to strive for modernity or technology if you're competing in this class of vehicle.
Here's a demonstration:(Image)(Image)
If you're buying a 70-Series (or a Samurai/Blizzard etc.), it's because you don't give a fuck about anything other than the off-road ability and the ruggedness of the car in general. This is why the 70 Series has barely changed since the 70's and why Toyota created the 100 and 200 series of Landcruiser. The 70 Series is a no-compromises work truck which is dead easy to repair and will last forever, the people who buy it don't care about the fuel consumption nor it's power output if it means paying extra up front and not lasting as long. The engine in the 70 series is already nearly 25 years old and Toyota still has no plans to replace it (except in Australia where they were forced to use something else).
Even in the 200-Series market, the value of lightweight efficient engines isn't strong enough for people to care too much about them. If you were making a crossover SUV or something that's a fashion statement like an X5 or a Range Rover, it'd be different.
I understand that those are about as utilitarian as you can get, but I'm figuring those should be upgraded first since they'd be the flagship models.
Lightweight, IMO, would be important for the Blizzard-esque vehicle in particular because that class of vehicle is so capable because of how small and lightweight they are. Why not play up that feature?
"easy to repair and will last forever" Wouldn't that be the perfect reason to have replaceable cylinder liners/sleeves? Especially if it's designed in such a way to facilitate a quick and easy in frame rebuild? And at that point, I figure you may as well make the block aluminium.
Isn't a a path of technological improvement what Nissan is doing with their utility Patrol? Such as their more advanced 3.0 in lieu of the 4.x I6, and then they also give customer's the option of coil springs up front instead of the leaves (on the cab and chassis version,) which might make them have the more refined utility vehicle.
There's probably two directions a smaller company could go with this - they could undercut them like with your example, or offer more "features" for the same (or less money) like with Kia or Hyundai. No?
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:26 am
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Vitaphone Racing » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:40 am
Yes Im Biop wrote:I have read that higher O2 percentages in the air would lead to much more efficient combustion engines. My Atmo is 78% O2. So the meant industry is very very different, but most concept's remain the same for what they build. How much bigger...Or rather smaller would a 5,000 Horsepower engine for an airship be? And would a combustion engine work at 333kp/m2
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:43 am
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Yes Im Biop wrote:I have read that higher O2 percentages in the air would lead to much more efficient combustion engines. My Atmo is 78% O2. So the meant industry is very very different, but most concept's remain the same for what they build. How much bigger...Or rather smaller would a 5,000 Horsepower engine for an airship be? And would a combustion engine work at 333kp/m2
In a nutshell, its essentially free supercharging. However the air you're working with means you're going to be at the limits of how much pressure and density you're working with. It will be difficult to build affordable and long lasting engines in these conditions.
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:13 am
by Yes Im Biop » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:44 pm
Arkolon wrote:Is spending ~$13bn on your military (size: 266,250) a year enough? And how about $26bn on public schools?
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by The Akasha Colony » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:16 pm
by Yes Im Biop » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:43 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Yes Im Biop wrote:
That's a lot of money, and I don't have any frame of reference but it sound's like you should have some ultra smart super soldiers
That's actually a small budget for that many men. The British spend well over three times that on a smaller force of regulars, and the US spends even more per soldier.
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
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by Costa Alegria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:06 am
Bhelyant wrote:If nobody else minds, I'll start with the first question...
How feasible would engine blocks made out of compacted graphite iron be for a developing nation? I'll be honest and say my only machining experience has been with steel and aluminum, and it seems like CGI is still in it's infancy.
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