by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 6:37 am
by Unibot » Mon May 18, 2009 6:41 am
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 6:49 am
Wow, you're really trying to offend the theological crowd.
Um, give me a bit to review it - I'll be back in a couple hours and edit this post accordingly with my response.
by Philimbesi » Mon May 18, 2009 7:03 am
Studly Penguins wrote:1) GUARANTEES the right of Nations and Doctors to engage in Stem Cell research should they so choose.
2) SOLUMNLY AFFIRMS that no Doctor or Medical Institution can be held liable if they choose not use Stem Cell-related treatments if it violates their own personal values and/or principles.
3) Creates the Stem Cell and Alternative Treatment Research Division to the WHA. Their objective is to research and develop potential cures and medicines derived from Stem Cells to help combat the effects of illness and injury. All breakthroughs and developments shall be published and put into the Public Domain.
4) Funding shall come directly from the World Assembly; it shall receive no additional funding from other sources.
by Flibbleites » Mon May 18, 2009 7:13 am
by Unibot » Mon May 18, 2009 7:23 am
Category & Strength
GUARANTEES the right of Nations and Doctors to engage in Stem Cell research should they so choose
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Absolvability » Mon May 18, 2009 7:47 am
Studly Penguins wrote:GUARANTEES the right of Nations and Doctors to engage in Stem Cell research should they so choose
Studly Penguins wrote:3) Creates the Stem Cell and Alternative Treatment Research Division to the WHA. Their objective is to research and develop potential cures and medicines derived from Stem Cells to help combat the effects of illness and injury. All breakthroughs and developments shall be published and put into the Public Domain.
by Sionis Prioratus » Mon May 18, 2009 8:39 am
Studly Penguins wrote:EMPHASIZING the need to Guarantee the right of Nations to research and develop stem cell related cures, treatments, and a Patient’s right to use Stem Cell therapies.
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 8:43 am
Absolvability wrote:Well. I support stem cell research but I don't really see the point to this proposal. I understand that the author was probably trying to appease the opposition by making a lot of this proposal voluntary to doctors/nations; it just doesn't seem like, in the end, the proposal does anything.
As of right now, you are correct. This is a work in progress and in no way to be construed as me thinking its complete. Long ways to go. As you mentioned there are harvesting standards to set, etc.Studly Penguins wrote:GUARANTEES the right of Nations and Doctors to engage in Stem Cell research should they so choose
Isn't this pretty much the way it is now? There is no international law saying anything of the contrary. If there were a repeal would be necessary. So in the end you are placing the final decision with the individual nation, which is where it has always been.
If you mean to say that Doctors may choose to engage in Stem Cell research despite a national law then you should express that more openly. As it stands you seem to lump doctors and nations together with no preference towards either.
Ok, I will change it from the aforementioned text to only cover Doctors and not Nations. Good Point.Studly Penguins wrote:3) Creates the Stem Cell and Alternative Treatment Research Division to the WHA. Their objective is to research and develop potential cures and medicines derived from Stem Cells to help combat the effects of illness and injury. All breakthroughs and developments shall be published and put into the Public Domain.
So in the end this is the meat of your proposal. As I understand it though, a proposal needs to do more than create a committee.
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 8:51 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:Wel dear friend, I happen to think it's wonderful. As for Flib's questions, it should be Human Rights, given thatStudly Penguins wrote:EMPHASIZING the need to Guarantee the right of Nations to research and develop stem cell related cures, treatments, and a Patient’s right to use Stem Cell therapies.
and strength, significant or strong, leaning significant.
About the kind of stem cells, maybe that should be left to the nations to decide. But it's just a suggestion.
Might I add, and I'm humbled you drew some inspiration from the "Access to Life-Saving Drugs"; as per the AtLSD, there now exists a Health Research & Development Division (HRDD) within the WHA. Maybe you could add to its duties, or create another division stating a partnership? The HRDD in relevant part, "[has] the aim to research and develop cures and vaccines for said diseases [(diseases that affect mainly the poorest populations, diseases for which there have not been as yet serious attempts at a research for a cure or a vaccine)]"
You have my vote.
Yours,
by Absolvability » Mon May 18, 2009 8:53 am
Studly Penguins wrote:As of right now, you are correct. This is a work in progress and in no way to be construed as me thinking its complete. Long ways to go. As you mentioned there are harvesting standards to set, etc.
Studly Penguins wrote:Ok, I will change it from the aforementioned text to only cover Doctors and not Nations. Good Point.
Studly Penguins wrote:Ok is this where I should start inserting the harvesting standards?
by Philimbesi » Mon May 18, 2009 9:13 am
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 9:31 am
Philimbesi wrote:We agree with the change, and thanks for clarifying the nation / doctors thing.
I think adult vs embryonic should be left up to nations to decide, possibly some international restrictions making sure that the collection is humane. Restricting for lack of a better term 'trafficking' in them. Honestly I'm not sure how to phrase it.
by Philimbesi » Mon May 18, 2009 9:32 am
Studly Penguins wrote:Philimbesi wrote:We agree with the change, and thanks for clarifying the nation / doctors thing.
I think adult vs embryonic should be left up to nations to decide, possibly some international restrictions making sure that the collection is humane. Restricting for lack of a better term 'trafficking' in them. Honestly I'm not sure how to phrase it.
With your permission, may use your thoughts listed here to incorporate into the formation of the standards for research?
Im gonna write some up in a bit, but if you dont want me to use your thought(s) then I will write something else.
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 9:42 am
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 9:45 am
by Absolvability » Mon May 18, 2009 11:12 am
Studly Penguins wrote:Would a ban on trade of stem cells be a good thought??
by Philimbesi » Mon May 18, 2009 11:25 am
Studly Penguins wrote:The new revision of this Draft is now posted at the top of this thread. Any new thoughts??
BANS the sale of stem cells, for any reason.
ALLOWS for further regulation on the trade of stem cells as the individual nations see fit.
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 11:50 am
Philimbesi wrote:Studly Penguins wrote:The new revision of this Draft is now posted at the top of this thread. Any new thoughts??
Bans? huh. Not sure how a total ban works in conjunction with the goals of the commtee, one would think that in order to get that done some form of trade might be needed. Plus there may be some nations that don't have as much a problem with the research as much as the harvesting. Improbable yes, impossible no. Maybe some an outright ban on the sale of stem cells to avoid an international black market.
Something like:BANS the sale of stem cells, for any reason.
ALLOWS for further regulation on the trade of stem cells as the individual nations see fit.
Still rough wording but hopefully the author picks up what I'm putting down.
by Belriel » Mon May 18, 2009 12:02 pm
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 12:13 pm
Belriel wrote:As the proposal is worded it does not distinguish between embryonic and somatic (adult) stem cells.
The Dominion of Belriel cannot condone embryonic stem cell research in any form, as we believe this is using life as a tool, rather than a gift. Also, embryonic stem cells at this time have been known to cause as much harm as they do good due to their unrestrained omnipotency. However, somatic stem cells can be taken from juvenile and adult living beings, and are more differentiated allowing more control over the growth of the cells. If this proposal were to implicitly select somatic stem cells, it could begin to be acceptable to our people.
As for trade, I heartily agree with your decision to ban international trade of your vague definition of stem cells as the trade of life-in any form-should be illegal. Now, again, should somatic stem cells be used exclusively then I would suggest that trade be opened, as then nations with more access to technology could trade their supply of stem cells with nations who cannot harvest these cells.
Yours,
by Philimbesi » Mon May 18, 2009 12:17 pm
by Belriel » Mon May 18, 2009 12:25 pm
Philimbesi wrote:While I wouldn't presume to speak for the ambassador from Belriel, well I would presume but none-the-less, I believe he's saying that if embryonic research is on the the able they wouldn't support it at all. I'd ready myself for that kind of argument no matter what kind of NatSov provisions you put in there.
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 12:26 pm
Philimbesi wrote:While I wouldn't presume to speak for the ambassador from Belriel, well I would presume but none-the-less, I believe he's saying that if embryonic research is on the the able they wouldn't support it at all. I'd ready myself for that kind of argument no matter what kind of NatSov provisions you put in there.
by Studly Penguins » Mon May 18, 2009 12:31 pm
Belriel wrote:Philimbesi wrote:While I wouldn't presume to speak for the ambassador from Belriel, well I would presume but none-the-less, I believe he's saying that if embryonic research is on the the able they wouldn't support it at all. I'd ready myself for that kind of argument no matter what kind of NatSov provisions you put in there.
I thank you for your mostly accurate analysis of my words.
To be more specific, the Dominion of Belriel, seeing the use and thus destruction of embryos to produce stem cells to be a careless disregard for the gift of life and a possible step toward genocide, would consider any nation that participates to be committing serious crimes against humanity. The Dominion of Belriel would conduct no trade whatsoever with these regions, and would suggest that other nations follow suit.
We would, however, condone and even participate in the harvesting of somatic stem cells from living donors and would move for trade in this area to be opened so that our country may trade these medical supplies with countries that need them.
Does that clarify my position?
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