by Jassysworth 1 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:17 am
by North Wiedna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:46 am
by Auzkhia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:10 am
by North Wiedna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:36 am
Auzkhia wrote:Sprite is a lemon lime soda produced by the Coca Cola Company, right?
by Soviet Post Punk » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:41 am
by Auzkhia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:41 am
by North Wiedna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:58 pm
Soviet Post Punk wrote:why not go for something different and be creative.
by Soviet Post Punk » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:07 pm
North Wiedna wrote:Soviet Post Punk wrote:why not go for something different and be creative.
Not always the best for writing. Sometimes you need plain words to get a point across. If I call them "elves" most people know what that is or they can look it up if they don't. If you make something up you waste time explaining what they are, which can have effects on flow and length.
by North Wiedna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:28 pm
Soviet Post Punk wrote:North Wiedna wrote:Not always the best for writing. Sometimes you need plain words to get a point across. If I call them "elves" most people know what that is or they can look it up if they don't. If you make something up you waste time explaining what they are, which can have effects on flow and length.
oh sorry i didn't realise i was speaking to a bunch of lazy writers.
by Soviet Post Punk » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:44 pm
you can't write efficiently without writing lazilyNorth Wiedna wrote:i didn't realize i was speaking to someone who doesn't know how to write efficiently
noNorth Wiedna wrote:absolutely bizarre comparison
did it teach you to make really, really silly comparisons? you're sure doing it by the book ;-)North Wiedna wrote:there's a reason why point 1 in my copy of The Elements of Style is "form the possessive singular of nouns by adding 's". they do this because saying "the friend of Charles" is unnecessarily long when you have the option of saying "Charles's friend"
it's also a very EFFICIENT way of making you look like a painful snob (without reason, even!!)North Wiedna wrote:of course the elements of style isn't a rulebook, it's a guidebook, but it's a good guide, and anyone who follows at least some of its principles will probably get at least some knowledge of prose.
by North Wiedna » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:14 pm
by Soviet Post Punk » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:33 pm
who said anything about difficulty? if you think "well most americans think elves are those things on the cookie box ill go for that i guess" isnt lazy as shit well i dont know man.
irrelevantNorth Wiedna wrote:otherwise you wouldn't need to proofread.
i didnt realise accessibility was central to quality of writing.North Wiedna wrote: the whole point of concision is to make the piece easily readable and easy to follow.
i really don't see how your parenthesis is relevant. if im creating a piece of literature, im not renting it out for use by other people, and im not attempting to contribute to the english language, that's fairly ridiculous. when you say "mire" it really strikes of being dismissive of world building.North Wiedna wrote:if you mire it up with new words phrases (which, by the way, are useless outside the specific piece's universe)
well ok have fun having that bizarre anomaly of old english sticking out like a sore thumb if you ever attempt to expand on a fictitious culture, language, race, etc.North Wiedna wrote: when there's perfectly acceptable alternatives
heaven forbid they expend effort in absorbing art the poor dears.North Wiedna wrote: you're giving the reader one more thing to keep track of,
this really is only an issue if the person reading is moronic to the point of being unable to read from context or you're so poorly skilled you can't embed created words in such a way that their meaning become sapparent.North Wiedna wrote: and, if they forget, they're forced to turn back and check, ruining the flow of the piece.
what actually matters is making everything to read, so speaketh the lord, but not in his texts because despite being very pretty they are BAD because they do not focus on what the modern consumer wants - swiftly and easily digestible literature they can consume quickly.North Wiedna wrote: it's not being "lazy", it's focusing on what actually matters instead of trivial details like word invention for the sake of word invention. there is NO need to break up the flow of a story by throwing in what might as well be an excerpt from an encyclopedia.
speak for yourself and yourself only.North Wiedna wrote:
even if elves vary from culture to culture, there is a specific audience in mind,
North Wiedna wrote:and as long as the specific audience is the one reading the book they will more than often get the right mental picture for "elf".
North Wiedna wrote: besides, the cultural variations of elves are slight, in no culture is an elf the english equivalent of a trent or an ogre. the differences are superficial and easily overlooked because it would be quite obvious by analyzing the point of view of the author
by Jassysworth 1 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:22 pm
North Wiedna wrote:Soviet Post Punk wrote:oh sorry i didn't realise i was speaking to a bunch of lazy writers.
i didn't realize i was speaking to someone who doesn't know how to write efficiently
there's a difference between being a good writer and thinking you're a good writer. writing a lot doesn't make you better. saying "the spherical rubber plaything reflected light of longer wavelengths, which is to say it is of a reddish color" is fucking stupid, just say "the ball is red". concision of language is important if you want natural flow.
there's a reason why point 1 in my copy of The Elements of Style is "form the possessive singular of nouns by adding 's". they do this because saying "the friend of Charles" is unnecessarily long when you have the option of saying "Charles's friend"
of course the elements of style isn't a rulebook, it's a guidebook, but it's a good guide, and anyone who follows at least some of its principles will probably get at least some knowledge of prose.
by Faolinn » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:37 pm
by Meryuma » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:21 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
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by Nazi Flower Power » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:24 am
Jassysworth 1 wrote:If I am writing a story and I needed a bunch of mischievous magic-users with child-like features and wings who travel in the forests... which group would that be?
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