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by Camicon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:16 am
Dilange wrote:A private school[EDIT]The RCD Columbus* fired a teacher for dumb reasons. Shocker.
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by Dilange » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:23 am
Camicon wrote:Dilange wrote:A private school[EDIT]The RCD Columbus* fired a teacher for dumb reasons. Shocker.
Did you actually bother reading the article? Or, you know, look at the last page for half-a-minute? C'mon, you're better than that.
For fucks sake, guys. Twenty pages in, and people still haven't cottoned on that it was the RCD Columbus, not the school, that fired Carla Hale. Half the posts in this thread are bitching about something that the school didn't do, and had no way to prevent. You're bashing the wrong people here.
by Nidifice » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:24 am
Camicon wrote:Did you actually bother reading the article? Or, you know, look at the last page for half-a-minute? C'mon, you're better than that.
For fucks sake, guys. Twenty pages in, and people still haven't cottoned on that it was the RCD Columbus, not the school, that fired Carla Hale. Half the posts in this thread are bitching about something that the school didn't do, and had no way to prevent. You're bashing the wrong people here.
by Camicon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:37 am
Dilange wrote:Camicon wrote:
Did you actually bother reading the article? Or, you know, look at the last page for half-a-minute? C'mon, you're better than that.
For fucks sake, guys. Twenty pages in, and people still haven't cottoned on that it was the RCD Columbus, not the school, that fired Carla Hale. Half the posts in this thread are bitching about something that the school didn't do, and had no way to prevent. You're bashing the wrong people here.
It actually says the RCD and the school administrators fired her. Which in laymans terms means, the school (which I am guessing is owned and run by the church) fired her.
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by Grenartia » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:51 am
Unified Chiodos Fans wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
i disagree. gays dont do well in either the old or new testament.
the point is though, christ hung out with sinners. cardinal o'conner said "hate the sin, love the sinner". and say what you will about the catholics and gays, the largest private funder of services for AIDS/HIV patients in the early 80's was catholic charities.
I do disagree on that. As someone who is currently becoming a pastor at my church(Non Denominational) and studies the Bible CONSTANTLY I can say that the New Testament is much more tolerant with topics such as homosexuality. Jesus does highlight that homosexuality as out of lust is not good. So like those slutty girls at parties that make out with their friend just to get attention are sinning. But if you truly love someone who is the same gender as you, there is absolutely nothing wrong with loving them. But I just hate it when certain parts of Christianity**cough, cough, Catholics, cough cough, Mormons, cough cough, West Borrow Baptist** completely misread the word of God and take it a TOTALLY different way than intended, such as this event.
by Tekania » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:06 am
Camicon wrote:Dilange wrote:
It actually says the RCD and the school administrators fired her. Which in laymans terms means, the school (which I am guessing is owned and run by the church) fired her.
"That parent wrote an anonymous letter to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus, and administrators responded by firing Hale later in March for violating a morality clause."
Nowhere are the school administrators mentioned. Administrators, of the RCD Columbus, received the letter and responded by firing Hale.
by Ethel mermania » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:20 am
Unified Chiodos Fans wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
i disagree. gays dont do well in either the old or new testament.
the point is though, christ hung out with sinners. cardinal o'conner said "hate the sin, love the sinner". and say what you will about the catholics and gays, the largest private funder of services for AIDS/HIV patients in the early 80's was catholic charities.
I do disagree on that. As someone who is currently becoming a pastor at my church(Non Denominational) and studies the Bible CONSTANTLY I can say that the New Testament is much more tolerant with topics such as homosexuality. Jesus does highlight that homosexuality as out of lust is not good. So like those slutty girls at parties that make out with their friend just to get attention are sinning. But if you truly love someone who is the same gender as you, there is absolutely nothing wrong with loving them. But I just hate it when certain parts of Christianity**cough, cough, Catholics, cough cough, Mormons, cough cough, West Borrow Baptist** completely misread the word of God and take it a TOTALLY different way than intended, such as this event.
by Camicon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:21 pm
Tekania wrote:Camicon wrote:"That parent wrote an anonymous letter to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus, and administrators responded by firing Hale later in March for violating a morality clause."
Nowhere are the school administrators mentioned. Administrators, of the RCD Columbus, received the letter and responded by firing Hale.
You two are diddling over semantics.... the RCD's operations obviously have control of school operations, and therefore their acts are the schools act. So RCD fired her, and the School fired her, because one is in control of the other.... oh I'm sure they have some sort of local governing board just for the school to make it look all okay and handle day to day operation (as long as the RCD isn't stepping in overriding them and controlling everything) to trick their masses into thinking they are modern democratic and progressive.
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by Unified Chiodos Fans » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:04 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:Unified Chiodos Fans wrote:I do disagree on that. As someone who is currently becoming a pastor at my church(Non Denominational) and studies the Bible CONSTANTLY I can say that the New Testament is much more tolerant with topics such as homosexuality. Jesus does highlight that homosexuality as out of lust is not good. So like those slutty girls at parties that make out with their friend just to get attention are sinning. But if you truly love someone who is the same gender as you, there is absolutely nothing wrong with loving them. But I just hate it when certain parts of Christianity**cough, cough, Catholics, cough cough, Mormons, cough cough, West Borrow Baptist** completely misread the word of God and take it a TOTALLY different way than intended, such as this event.
the new testiment is gentler in general than the old.
my god is a just and angry god. yours is loving and forgiving as long as you believe in the guy on the cross.
i have not read the new testiment as much as you have, but i dont recall it saying anywhere, gay is good. where i have seen it say marriage between a man and a women is good. as much as human beings have evovled, believing god would write an even kinder bible (no slavery, no anti gay stuff, no animal sacrifce) is perfectly reasonable. but as the good book stands now in either testiment, same sex sex, is a sin.
by Ayreonia » Wed May 01, 2013 3:08 am
Unified Chiodos Fans wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
the new testiment is gentler in general than the old.
my god is a just and angry god. yours is loving and forgiving as long as you believe in the guy on the cross.
i have not read the new testiment as much as you have, but i dont recall it saying anywhere, gay is good. where i have seen it say marriage between a man and a women is good. as much as human beings have evovled, believing god would write an even kinder bible (no slavery, no anti gay stuff, no animal sacrifce) is perfectly reasonable. but as the good book stands now in either testiment, same sex sex, is a sin.
After reading your comment, I spent some time searching the internet and my Bible and I honestly don't find anywhere where Jesus even mentions Homosexuality. Again, many of the things Orthodox churches such as Catholicism or Mormonism preach are very Old Testament. What I did find is the Golden Rule "Love thy neighbor like thy self." Which can be translated into many different ways but ultimately it means to love everyone and that if you wish for your life style or point of views to be accepted you must accept others for their's.
I think with all my heart that if Jesus talked to or met a gay person he would treat them exactly the same as everyone else. His number 1 lesson was always to love everyone and it really pains me to think a lot of churches have drifted away from that lesson.
by Ethel mermania » Wed May 01, 2013 3:54 am
Unified Chiodos Fans wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
the new testiment is gentler in general than the old.
my god is a just and angry god. yours is loving and forgiving as long as you believe in the guy on the cross.
i have not read the new testiment as much as you have, but i dont recall it saying anywhere, gay is good. where i have seen it say marriage between a man and a women is good. as much as human beings have evovled, believing god would write an even kinder bible (no slavery, no anti gay stuff, no animal sacrifce) is perfectly reasonable. but as the good book stands now in either testiment, same sex sex, is a sin.
After reading your comment, I spent some time searching the internet and my Bible and I honestly don't find anywhere where Jesus even mentions Homosexuality. Again, many of the things Orthodox churches such as Catholicism or Mormonism preach are very Old Testament. What I did find is the Golden Rule "Love thy neighbor like thy self." Which can be translated into many different ways but ultimately it means to love everyone and that if you wish for your life style or point of views to be accepted you must accept others for their's.
I think with all my heart that if Jesus talked to or met a gay person he would treat them exactly the same as everyone else. His number 1 lesson was always to love everyone and it really pains me to think a lot of churches have drifted away from that lesson.
by Strykla » Wed May 01, 2013 4:00 am
by Unified Chiodos Fans » Thu May 02, 2013 9:51 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:Unified Chiodos Fans wrote:After reading your comment, I spent some time searching the internet and my Bible and I honestly don't find anywhere where Jesus even mentions Homosexuality. Again, many of the things Orthodox churches such as Catholicism or Mormonism preach are very Old Testament. What I did find is the Golden Rule "Love thy neighbor like thy self." Which can be translated into many different ways but ultimately it means to love everyone and that if you wish for your life style or point of views to be accepted you must accept others for their's.
I think with all my heart that if Jesus talked to or met a gay person he would treat them exactly the same as everyone else. His number 1 lesson was always to love everyone and it really pains me to think a lot of churches have drifted away from that lesson.
i think jesus would love gay people very much, during the aids crises he would have been working in the west villiage tending the sick, and demanding greater action on their behalf. he would be walking among the gay commiunity preaching gods love to them. but ultimately i think he would be trying to pray the gay away. he would love them if he couldnt, but he would try in his view, to heal them.
by Greed and Death » Thu May 02, 2013 10:56 pm
Camicon wrote:Dilange wrote:
It actually says the RCD and the school administrators fired her. Which in laymans terms means, the school (which I am guessing is owned and run by the church) fired her.
"That parent wrote an anonymous letter to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus, and administrators responded by firing Hale later in March for violating a morality clause."
Nowhere are the school administrators mentioned. Administrators, of the RCD Columbus, received the letter and responded by firing Hale.
by Camicon » Thu May 02, 2013 11:08 pm
greed and death wrote:Camicon wrote:"That parent wrote an anonymous letter to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus, and administrators responded by firing Hale later in March for violating a morality clause."
Nowhere are the school administrators mentioned. Administrators, of the RCD Columbus, received the letter and responded by firing Hale.
This distinction is not particularly relevant to the discussion. Now I am no expert in employment law, but what I do know is you can not fire people who do not work for you.
So either she worked for the school and the RCD and the school are the same entity, in which case using the terms school and RCD interchangeably would be correct.
Or she worked for school and the RCD made the school fire her ( by threatening its funding) in which case the school would be correct.
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Love is hell. Hell is love. Hell is asking to be loved. - Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton, Detective Daughter
by Greed and Death » Thu May 02, 2013 11:24 pm
Camicon wrote:greed and death wrote:
This distinction is not particularly relevant to the discussion. Now I am no expert in employment law, but what I do know is you can not fire people who do not work for you.
So either she worked for the school and the RCD and the school are the same entity, in which case using the terms school and RCD interchangeably would be correct.
Or she worked for school and the RCD made the school fire her ( by threatening its funding) in which case the school would be correct.
She worked at a school, who's administrators answer directly to the RCD.
Here's the analogy I've been using.
Carla Hale = sales associate
School admins = department manager
The RCD Columbus = store manager
The store manager fired the sales associate. Blaming the manager of the department she worked in, simply because they were her immediate superior, is flat out wrong.
Subordinates are not responsible for the actions of their superiors. The RCD Columbus is the superior of the school admins. The RCD Columbus is who fired Hale. Not the school. The school is not to blame for the termination of her employment, or for the grounds of said termination. That is incredibly relevant to the conversation, if you want to start pointing fingers and laying the blame on somebody.
by Camicon » Thu May 02, 2013 11:43 pm
greed and death wrote:Camicon wrote:She worked at a school, who's administrators answer directly to the RCD.
Here's the analogy I've been using.
Carla Hale = sales associate
School admins = department manager
The RCD Columbus = store manager
The store manager fired the sales associate. Blaming the manager of the department she worked in, simply because they were her immediate superior, is flat out wrong.
Subordinates are not responsible for the actions of their superiors. The RCD Columbus is the superior of the school admins. The RCD Columbus is who fired Hale. Not the school. The school is not to blame for the termination of her employment, or for the grounds of said termination. That is incredibly relevant to the conversation, if you want to start pointing fingers and laying the blame on somebody.
Except the manager is an agent of the store, it is the store that fired her an agent is just who a principle works through. But you have the analogy wrong anyways. RCD columbus = board of directors, School = walmart, You= sales associate.
You may have been fired because the board of directors did not like you, It is still wal-mart that fired you.
Putting all that aside, who do you think could be sued for unlawful termination? You need an employee-employer relationship, and look we have it in paper because it is a unionized work place. She has a relationship with the school, any law suit will name the school and not the RCD or catholic church as a defendant.
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