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Postby Tropical Scandinavia » Thu May 02, 2013 6:21 am

Well for the most part this doesn't surprise me. Islam is an evil and extreme religion. Sure Christianity and Judaism are evil but at least liberal movements of those respective religions were able to distort their original teachings enough to render those religions more benign. I have read the Koran and the Hadiths (well some of the Hadiths) and I just don't see that happening with Islam.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu May 02, 2013 6:25 am

Al Meajilia wrote:This just goes to show you that people are ignorant when it comes to Islam. If people actually read the Qur'an and the hadiths of the Prophet confirmed by scholars, then you can criticise it all you want, but if you know nothing about Islam and believe only what the media says or what certain countries though then you are one of the most ignorant people in the world.


My go to source about Islam is this website: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page and it is quite comprehensive. It quotes any pertinent source material (Qur'an/Hadiths), covers the life of Muhammad, has essays and news articles about any incidents involving Muslims, and more. Being that Islam goes against everything that I stand for, I have every reason to hate the religion.

I can tolerate cafeteria Islam like what is practiced in Turkey but I definitely want the more devout variants of Islam such as what Al Qaeda adheres to, to be destroyed.

DogDoo 7 wrote:Hmm...Palestine is awfully high. Although since Sharia forbids military occupation of Muslims I can see their point.


Of course Sharia law forbids any military occupation of Muslims. Muslims are the ones that are supposed to militarily rule over non-Muslims and not the other way around, being that Islam was founded by one of history's most effective and violent warlords. Islam was originally meant to spread over the entire globe by the sword but their advance was stopped.
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Postby Xirxixcroxior » Thu May 02, 2013 7:29 am

Also, sharia is the bane of civilisation, persuided by Quran-thumping people who believe in bronze age ethics.
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Postby Choronzon » Thu May 02, 2013 8:27 am

I would have really liked to see that poll conducted among Muslims in western countries as well.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 02, 2013 8:35 am

This isn't good, I was pleasantly surprised by Lebanon though.

I am curious to know the numbers in Western nations.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu May 02, 2013 8:40 am

Choronzon wrote:I would have really liked to see that poll conducted among Muslims in western countries as well.


Oliver Roy has written about it if you're interested. He's a French Academic who has written extensively on Islam and political Islam (as is Giles Kepel); among European Muslims at least, there seems to be an increasing acceptance of secular-democracy, though that's not to say there are no loud and significant voices who are opposed to such things.

Maajid Nawaz (he's a former Islamic fundememtalist who spent three years in an Egyptian prison, where he had a change of heart) is worthwhile for a U.K perspective; his main arguement is that an acute identity crisis being exploited by charismatic recruiters is what is driving fundamentalism in British Muslims and making the younger generation more conservative than their parents. Though for the most part British Muslims are well-integrated.

The poll is very disappointing for a South Asian like me though (high-seventy to eighty percentage support for killing apostates honestly has me infuriated). Apparently we are now less socially tolerant than the Middle-East. Bangladesh is a surprising exception.
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Postby Choronzon » Thu May 02, 2013 8:48 am

EnragedMaldivians wrote:Oliver Roy has written about it if you're interested.

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Postby Luxvia » Thu May 02, 2013 9:12 am

Sharia law should be banned, never considered.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu May 02, 2013 9:29 am

It appears that the Muslamic threat is greater than we initially realised. How long until the ray-guns are operational?
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Postby Risottia » Thu May 02, 2013 9:30 am

Tropical Scandinavia wrote:Well for the most part this doesn't surprise me. Islam is an evil and extreme religion. Sure Christianity and Judaism are evil


Religions can't be evil. They can't even be good. Religions don't have ethical abilities.

People can be evil or good.
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Postby Risottia » Thu May 02, 2013 9:31 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It appears that the Muslamic threat is greater than we initially realised. How long until the ray-guns are operational?

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Postby Gauthier » Thu May 02, 2013 9:39 am

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It appears that the Muslamic threat is greater than we initially realised. How long until the ray-guns are operational?

They are already, and they're turning all religious people into gays.

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Postby Ensiferum » Thu May 02, 2013 10:32 am

It's kind of flawed seeing as different Muslim's have a different idea of what Sharia is. For a hardline extremist it could be incredibly harsh while for the average Muslim it could be about as harsh as the current Judeo-Christian laws we have in the West where religious laws are mixed in with secular laws.

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu May 02, 2013 10:35 am

Ensiferum wrote:It's kind of flawed seeing as different Muslim's have a different idea of what Sharia is. For a hardline extremist it could be incredibly harsh while for the average Muslim it could be about as harsh as the current Judeo-Christian laws we have in the West where religious laws are mixed in with secular laws.


Umm, the poll covers all those interpretations if you follow the link. It's fairly nuanced.
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Postby Russia Federation » Thu May 02, 2013 10:51 am

Russia surprises me, in its higher then I excepted. I'd be in interested in the regional break down of the numbers. I'm guessing the biggest percentage would come from Dagestan.

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Postby Disserbia » Thu May 02, 2013 12:57 pm

They only polled countries known for having native Muslim populations. Do not like.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu May 02, 2013 1:13 pm

Well if they want to impose sharia law, and the country is mostly made up of Muslim fundies, it is pretty obvious what the response will be; though some will see as it as their community obligation to support sharia law - however one group's sharia is different to another i.e. Saudi Arabia vs Taliban ruled Afghanistan.

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New Rogernomics wrote:Well if they want to impose sharia law, and the country is mostly made up of Muslim fundies, it is pretty obvious what the response will be; though some will see as it as their community obligation to support sharia law - however one group's sharia is different to another i.e. Saudi Arabia vs Taliban ruled Afghanistan.

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New Rogernomics wrote:Well if they want to impose sharia law, and the country is mostly made up of Muslim fundies, it is pretty obvious what the response will be; though some will see as it as their community obligation to support sharia law - however one group's sharia is different to another i.e. Saudi Arabia vs Taliban ruled Afghanistan.

Tyranny by most militant majority minority?
Near enough, in Iran the most militant religious group took control and destroyed any opposition to its revolution.

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Postby Imadistan » Sat May 04, 2013 1:48 am

This poll, as a practising and fully observant Muslim, is most distressing for me and being a Pakistani, more so. Let me say that not all Muslims are in favour for Sharia. Most of the support, at-least in my country, has to do with people feeling that the existing common law system is designed to suit the needs of people with money and connections, who manage to clear their way through the bureaucratic hurdles with ease, while common folk have to wait many years, perhaps even as much as a decade for some, to have their case heard. Sharia is seen as something which will fix that, people really are ignorant about the details, they just believe the propaganda that the religious political parties shovel out. So, one must consider many aspects to the situation before saying that people are becoming radicalised. There's much more to the story than truly ever meets the eye.

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Postby Imadistan » Sat May 04, 2013 1:52 am

Though I do feel that the serious lack of investment in the education sectors of the muslim countries of the world is also responsible, along with poorly managed economies by governments that lack popular legitimacy, often seen imposed from abroad. Such an environment really gives religious groups and political parties all the fuel it needs to push forward their Saudi funded agenda. I hope that people in western countries start to emphasise that aid money from their countries should be spent on the education sectors and social welfare rather than supporting militaries and allowing corrupt regimes to continue their hold on power.

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Postby MamlukiyyaMubaraka » Sat May 04, 2013 10:10 am

Imadistan wrote:This poll, as a practising and fully observant Muslim, is most distressing for me and being a Pakistani, more so. Let me say that not all Muslims are in favour for Sharia. Most of the support, at-least in my country, has to do with people feeling that the existing common law system is designed to suit the needs of people with money and connections, who manage to clear their way through the bureaucratic hurdles with ease, while common folk have to wait many years, perhaps even as much as a decade for some, to have their case heard. Sharia is seen as something which will fix that, people really are ignorant about the details, they just believe the propaganda that the religious political parties shovel out. So, one must consider many aspects to the situation before saying that people are becoming radicalised. There's much more to the story than truly ever meets the eye.


What kind of Muslim are you? Your statement amounts to rejecting the law of Allah. The only solution Muslims have, the only solution which has delivered for them and allowed them to achieve their aspirations and create a just and equitable society in their entire history has been Shariah. Ever since Muslims left Shariah, they have lagged behind in every field. Tell me what Muslims have achieved under these barbaric secular regimes? Other than poverty, misery and human misery?

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Postby The God-Realm » Sat May 04, 2013 10:35 am

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Postby Kemalist » Sun May 05, 2013 6:04 am

MamlukiyyaMubaraka wrote:Other than poverty, misery and human misery?


I think that more applies to the Muslim countries being ruled under Sharia law.
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