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by Valkmar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:39 pm
Totalitarianism, fascism, militarism, pride, nationalism, consumerism, conformity, industry, humility, integrity, and isolationism."Curiosity is more alluring than danger is deterring." - Anonymous
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
QUILTBAG rights, religion, capitalism, democracy, and abortion.Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.51
by Farnhamia » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:40 pm
Valkmar wrote:Now this is going a little far. I've come to accept gay marriage, but these ideas are just inane and pathetic. It may not be wrong. But it's definitely foolish.
by Agymnum » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:41 pm
by Freiheit Reich » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:43 pm
Valkmar wrote:Now this is going a little far. I've come to accept gay marriage, but these ideas are just inane and pathetic. It may not be wrong. But it's definitely foolish.
by Techno-Titania » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:43 pm
Gandoor wrote:People marrying animals won't be allowed because animals DO NOT HAVE LEGAL RIGHTS.
by Farnhamia » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:44 pm
by Anachronous Rex » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:46 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Anachronous Rex wrote:You vastly misunderstand the importance of evolutionary biology.
No offense but whether or not you were joking there I am laughing. Most people don't (other than biologist and ecologists) don't often rely on evolution in everyday life and at worst a kid saying I don't believe in evolution will get lightly ridiculed by people I seriously fail to see that as being an enormous harm to the child or to society.
by Individuality-ness » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:46 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Anachronous Rex wrote:You vastly misunderstand the importance of evolutionary biology.
No offense but whether or not you were joking there I am laughing. Most people don't (other than biologist and ecologists) don't often rely on evolution in everyday life and at worst a kid saying I don't believe in evolution will get lightly ridiculed by people I seriously fail to see that as being an enormous harm to the child or to society.
by Freiheit Reich » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:47 pm
Anachronous Rex wrote:Llamalandia wrote:
Also yeah I agree in some egregious cases parents are completely incompetent but by then we usually have authorities involved anyway (i.e. drugged up parents etc). Also while you and I might think it's stupid not to teach h kids about evolution should every little decision in a child life be up to the state in this manner? If parents don't want to teach their kids about evolution so be it, it's a far cry from say not teaching basic literacy which I think just about 100% of people would agree is essential to teach in america.
You vastly misunderstand the importance of evolutionary biology.
by Anachronous Rex » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:47 pm
by Anachronous Rex » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:49 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Anachronous Rex wrote:You vastly misunderstand the importance of evolutionary biology.
Most people don't need to be taught evolution for their day to day lives after school. School's job is to prepare you for work after school. Learning about gay history or evolution does little to prepare people for the real world. Parents can prioritize subjects but homeschooling. More focus on practical skills and education. Homeschooling is a good option.
by Agymnum » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:52 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Most people don't need to be taught evolution for their day to day lives after school. School's job is to prepare you for work after school. Learning about gay history or evolution does little to prepare people for the real world. Parents can prioritize subjects but homeschooling. More focus on practical skills and education. Homeschooling is a good option.
by Llamalandia » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:58 pm
Anachronous Rex wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
Most people don't need to be taught evolution for their day to day lives after school. School's job is to prepare you for work after school. Learning about gay history or evolution does little to prepare people for the real world. Parents can prioritize subjects but homeschooling. More focus on practical skills and education. Homeschooling is a good option.
If you intend to go into any field relating to biology, medicine, chemistry, or science, you will need a background in evolutionary biology. That's a huge percentage of the American workforce right there, one that is effectively prohibited to anyone who is denied this education.
I have no idea where you're getting gay history from.
by Agymnum » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:00 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Not really, there are in fact conservative christian biology majors who still reject evolutionary theory, professor will look at them quite oddly but quite frankly it doesn't really matter that much it's a small part of the curriculum and most of the time they can just cram whatever they need to pass a test and then just go back to maintaining that people and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. Yeah it sounds stupid but there it is.
by Menassa » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:09 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Valkmar wrote:Now this is going a little far. I've come to accept gay marriage, but these ideas are just inane and pathetic. It may not be wrong. But it's definitely foolish.
If you can accept gay marriage I believe one day you can accept polygamy and sibling/parent marriage.
Personally, I find heterosexual sibling marriage less weird than gay marriage.
by Grenartia » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:12 pm
Individuality-ness wrote:Grenartia wrote:And people who have no qualifications in a given field should totally be making decisions that affect it.
Let's totally have prayer in schools and have our students taught creationism instead of evolution, amirite? Fuck those evolutionary biologists, fuck geologists, fuck biochemists, fuck scientists in general, those so-called know-it-all "experts". What do they know, compared to the all holy masses, amirite?
Llamalandia wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Give us about a decade or two,and we can probably do it.
Also, what about straight couples that can't have children that have chromosomes from both parents? Are those families somehow inferior to couples with children that do have chromosomes from both parents?
To the first part okay , I ll wait then be happy to recognize gay families fully and completely as equals to straight families. ON the second part, yeah in sense they are.
Llamalandia wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:Let's totally have prayer in schools and have our students taught creationism instead of evolution, amirite? Fuck those evolutionary biologists, fuck geologists, fuck biochemists, fuck scientists in general, those so-called know-it-all "experts". What do they know, compared to the all holy masses, amirite?
No, but at times, like when it comes to parenting many parents would say "i don't care what experts think I know what's best for my children". The majority decides when to defer to experts and when an individual is best left to use his or her own judgement. This is the problem with centrally planned economies the experts think they can manage high complex systems and maximize efficiency when in reality most modern economies have proven over and over that individuals looking out for their own self interest has created the greatest market function hence the USSR doesn't exist but the USA does.
Agymnum wrote:Llamalandia wrote:No, but at times, like when it comes to parenting many parents would say "i don't care what experts think I know what's best for my children". The majority decides when to defer to experts and when an individual is best left to use his or her own judgement. This is the problem with centrally planned economies the experts think they can manage high complex systems and maximize efficiency when in reality most modern economies have proven over and over that individuals looking out for their own self interest has created the greatest market function hence the USSR doesn't exist but the USA does.
These wouldn't happen to be the same parents who choose to home-school their children because, I mean, we can't have their kids learning all them fancy-schmancy evolution ideas now, can we?
Face it, sometimes parents don't know proper parenting and don't know what's best for their children. Sometimes we have to trust experts who have studied child psychology and have more experience.
Llamalandia wrote:Agymnum wrote:
These wouldn't happen to be the same parents who choose to home-school their children because, I mean, we can't have their kids learning all them fancy-schmancy evolution ideas now, can we?
Face it, sometimes parents don't know proper parenting and don't know what's best for their children. Sometimes we have to trust experts who have studied child psychology and have more experience.
Why are you knocking homeschooling, many people homeschool their kids, because guess what they get a better education that way than in the public school system and while it's anecdotal, some of the best science oympiad teams in my state were home school association so it's not all about religious nutballs who homeschool their kids.
Freiheit Reich wrote:Easy solution: get the government out of marriage. This means people that get married would still have to get a separate power of attorney because marriage certificates would mean very little as far as the government was concerned but the power of attorney would have legal powers.
The marriage would then be merely a ceremony. Important to peope participating but as meaningless as a Bar Mitzvah or a person's first communion as far as the govt. is concerned. This would also make divorce easier because there would be less legal consequences (for example, alimony could not be required, property would go to name of person that bought it, it would be split if both spouses signed for it). Both spouses would probably start having to sign for purchases to protect themselves in cases of divorce.
If the govt. gets out of marriage than 'yes' we can even have a man marrying his Barbie doll or any strange marriage you can think of.
Freiheit Reich wrote:Anachronous Rex wrote:You vastly misunderstand the importance of evolutionary biology.
Most people don't need to be taught evolution for their day to day lives after school. School's job is to prepare you for work after school. Learning about gay history or evolution does little to prepare people for the real world. Parents can prioritize subjects but homeschooling. More focus on practical skills and education. Homeschooling is a good option.
Agymnum wrote:Llamalandia wrote:Not really, there are in fact conservative christian biology majors who still reject evolutionary theory, professor will look at them quite oddly but quite frankly it doesn't really matter that much it's a small part of the curriculum and most of the time they can just cram whatever they need to pass a test and then just go back to maintaining that people and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. Yeah it sounds stupid but there it is.
They should not be allowed to major in biology. They are holding back their field and either need to straighten their views out or find a new career.
Would we allow those who do not believe in gravity to major in engineering? Would we allow those who do not believe in calculus to major in mathematics? Why not let those who do not believe in Newton's Laws of Motion to major in physics?
by Death Metal » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:15 pm
Agymnum wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:Most people don't need to be taught evolution for their day to day lives after school. School's job is to prepare you for work after school. Learning about gay history or evolution does little to prepare people for the real world. Parents can prioritize subjects but homeschooling. More focus on practical skills and education. Homeschooling is a good option.
What United States of America are you living in?
by Freiheit Reich » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:15 pm
Anachronous Rex wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
Most people don't need to be taught evolution for their day to day lives after school. School's job is to prepare you for work after school. Learning about gay history or evolution does little to prepare people for the real world. Parents can prioritize subjects but homeschooling. More focus on practical skills and education. Homeschooling is a good option.
If you intend to go into any field relating to biology, medicine, chemistry, or science, you will need a background in evolutionary biology. That's a huge percentage of the American workforce right there, one that is effectively prohibited to anyone who is denied this education.
I have no idea where you're getting gay history from.
by Individuality-ness » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:15 pm
Grenartia wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:Let's totally have prayer in schools and have our students taught creationism instead of evolution, amirite? Fuck those evolutionary biologists, fuck geologists, fuck biochemists, fuck scientists in general, those so-called know-it-all "experts". What do they know, compared to the all holy masses, amirite?
Dammit, Indi, this is getting sigged AND AQ'd.
by Anachronous Rex » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:15 pm
Llamalandia wrote:Anachronous Rex wrote:If you intend to go into any field relating to biology, medicine, chemistry, or science, you will need a background in evolutionary biology. That's a huge percentage of the American workforce right there, one that is effectively prohibited to anyone who is denied this education.
I have no idea where you're getting gay history from.
Not really, there are in fact conservative christian biology majors who still reject evolutionary theory, professor will look at them quite oddly but quite frankly it doesn't really matter that much it's a small part of the curriculum and most of the time they can just cram whatever they need to pass a test and then just go back to maintaining that people and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. Yeah it sounds stupid but there it is.
by Death Metal » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:17 pm
by Grenartia » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:18 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Anachronous Rex wrote:If you intend to go into any field relating to biology, medicine, chemistry, or science, you will need a background in evolutionary biology. That's a huge percentage of the American workforce right there, one that is effectively prohibited to anyone who is denied this education.
I have no idea where you're getting gay history from.
Gay history is required to be taught in California. How does this prepare people for jobs?
My jobs never required me to know about evolution. If it is field specific than it can be taught in college in major related classes.
by Individuality-ness » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:18 pm
by Anachronous Rex » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:19 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Anachronous Rex wrote:If you intend to go into any field relating to biology, medicine, chemistry, or science, you will need a background in evolutionary biology. That's a huge percentage of the American workforce right there, one that is effectively prohibited to anyone who is denied this education.
I have no idea where you're getting gay history from.
Gay history is required to be taught in California. How does this prepare people for jobs?
My jobs never required me to know about evolution. If it is field specific than it can be taught in college in major related classes.
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