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by Xomic » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:13 pm
by Greed and Death » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:14 pm
Xomic wrote:I wish I could stop misreading it as Judo-Christian nation.
by Hydesland » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:15 pm
Sarkhaan wrote:Our laws aren't from the Judeo-Christian tradition
by The Cat-Tribe » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:22 pm
Hydesland wrote:Sarkhaan wrote:Our laws aren't from the Judeo-Christian tradition
Well, much of it is based on English common law, and many of the primary principles in that can be traced to basic Judeo-Christian ethics.
by Hydesland » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:23 pm
by Greed and Death » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:26 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Hydesland wrote:Sarkhaan wrote:Our laws aren't from the Judeo-Christian tradition
Well, much of it is based on English common law, and many of the primary principles in that can be traced to basic Judeo-Christian ethics.
Except for the minor detail that the second part of your sentence is completely untrue.
Other than that, bravo.
by The Cat-Tribe » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:27 pm
Hydesland wrote:If anyone here is assuming that calling a nation Judeo-Christian means that everyone there is either Jewish and Christian or that the nation is intolerant of other religions, then you really aren't equipt to give any kind of credible answer to whether the US is or not.
by Hydesland » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:31 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Hydesland wrote:Sarkhaan wrote:Our laws aren't from the Judeo-Christian tradition
Well, much of it is based on English common law, and many of the primary principles in that can be traced to basic Judeo-Christian ethics.
Except for the minor detail that the second part of your sentence is completely untrue.
Other than that, bravo.
by Hydesland » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:32 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:If you want to call the U.S. "Judeo-Christian," the point has already been raised several times that you ought to tell us what the fuck you mean by that.
by The Cat-Tribe » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 pm
greed and death wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:Hydesland wrote:Well, much of it is based on English common law, and many of the primary principles in that can be traced to basic Judeo-Christian ethics.
Except for the minor detail that the second part of your sentence is completely untrue.
Other than that, bravo.
I wouldn't say completely courts prior to William the conquer were presided over by Bishops.
Though I read an interesting piece that points to common law in England be largely influenced by Islam.
by Hydesland » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 pm
greed and death wrote:Though I read an interesting piece that points to common law in England be largely influenced by Islam.
by Osgarna » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 pm
Maurepas wrote:Osgarna wrote: Or did you mean say nothing about it at all? That hardly seems appropriate considering he needs to repair the damage from all of Bush's talk of "crusades" and things like that.
I meant he needs to say nothing at all...
As in, there is no religion that is the basis of this nation...Its that statement that needs to be emphasized, imo...
Sorry if I confused or offended you, like I said, it was the short answer,
by Phenia » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:35 pm
Hydesland wrote:Are you serious? I mean, the value system and culture of Britain was massively and explicitly judeo-Christian, the Church had massive authority in the law for many years, most historians agree that the western value system of today (of which our law is based) is massively based partly on Judeo-Christian ethics and Greco-Roman ethics. I mean I can believe that it is possible someone might say it is completely untrue, but I would at least expect that some acknowledgement that their opinion is.. controversial.
by The Cat-Tribe » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:36 pm
Hydesland wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:If you want to call the U.S. "Judeo-Christian," the point has already been raised several times that you ought to tell us what the fuck you mean by that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian
by Pevisopolis » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:37 pm
by Greed and Death » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:38 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:greed and death wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Except for the minor detail that the second part of your sentence is completely untrue.
Other than that, bravo.
I wouldn't say completely courts prior to William the conquer were presided over by Bishops.
Though I read an interesting piece that points to common law in England be largely influenced by Islam.
And you think this first tidbit proves what?
by Neo Art » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:39 pm
Phenia wrote:Hydesland wrote:Are you serious? I mean, the value system and culture of Britain was massively and explicitly judeo-Christian, the Church had massive authority in the law for many years, most historians agree that the western value system of today (of which our law is based) is massively based partly on Judeo-Christian ethics and Greco-Roman ethics. I mean I can believe that it is possible someone might say it is completely untrue, but I would at least expect that some acknowledgement that their opinion is.. controversial.
One might as well say we are a Greco-Roman nation, then.
by Ryadn » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm
by Hydesland » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Hydesland wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:If you want to call the U.S. "Judeo-Christian," the point has already been raised several times that you ought to tell us what the fuck you mean by that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian
If you want to use the definition of a highly disputed, not particularly helpful, and not very accurate Wiki page, so be it. But we aren't mind-readers.
by Greed and Death » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:42 pm
Neo Art wrote:Phenia wrote:Hydesland wrote:Are you serious? I mean, the value system and culture of Britain was massively and explicitly judeo-Christian, the Church had massive authority in the law for many years, most historians agree that the western value system of today (of which our law is based) is massively based partly on Judeo-Christian ethics and Greco-Roman ethics. I mean I can believe that it is possible someone might say it is completely untrue, but I would at least expect that some acknowledgement that their opinion is.. controversial.
One might as well say we are a Greco-Roman nation, then.
We're.....not? Fuck all, what am I supposed to do with three dozen togas and a half built vomitorium in the back yard then?
by The Cat-Tribe » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:42 pm
Hydesland wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:Hydesland wrote:Well, much of it is based on English common law, and many of the primary principles in that can be traced to basic Judeo-Christian ethics.
Except for the minor detail that the second part of your sentence is completely untrue.
Other than that, bravo.
Are you serious? I mean, the value system and culture of Britain was massively and explicitly judeo-Christian, the Church had massive authority in the law for many years, most historians agree that the western value system of today (of which our law is based) is massively based partly on Judeo-Christian ethics and Greco-Roman ethics. I mean I can believe that it is possible someone might say it is completely untrue, but I would at least expect that some acknowledgement that their opinion is.. controversial.
by Maurepas » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:43 pm
greed and death wrote:
that the formation of English common law is not "totally free" of historic influence of Christianity.
by The Cat-Tribe » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:45 pm
The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Except for the minor detail that the second part of your sentence is completely untrue.
Other than that, bravo.
greed and death wrote:The Cat-Tribe wrote:greed and death wrote:I wouldn't say completely courts prior to William the conquer were presided over by Bishops.
Though I read an interesting piece that points to common law in England be largely influenced by Islam.
And you think this first tidbit proves what?
that the formation of English common law is not "totally free" of historic influence of Christianity.
by Greed and Death » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:46 pm
Maurepas wrote:greed and death wrote:
that the formation of English common law is not "totally free" of historic influence of Christianity.
Hmmm...I could see the argument being made, as an aside, Id heard somewhere that one of the things they used against "Executive Privilege" was the Magna Carta...
but, even so, the US doesnt recognize an official religion, and saying that we are based on one is unconstitutional...
by Ryadn » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:46 pm
Hydesland wrote:Sarkhaan wrote:Our laws aren't from the Judeo-Christian tradition
Well, much of it is based on English common law, and many of the primary principles in that can be traced to basic Judeo-Christian ethics.
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