by Never wrong People » Thu May 14, 2009 6:52 pm
by Vojvodina-Nihon » Thu May 14, 2009 7:39 pm
by Bluth Corporation » Thu May 14, 2009 9:02 pm
Never wrong People wrote:All laws are more powerful the local laws
Relegation will balance the play field to not undermine the economy - to prevent bubbles in the economy and cause real growth
No tariffs - free trade for all
One currency - so simple
No social or moral or religion issues
World police force enforces all laws including human rights, has power to go anywhere to enforce laws civil rights and private protection are still around (right to trial and other protections)
Crime can be hunted everywhere - can not run from the cops
Global warning action can be taken if wanted
State sovereignty does not exist
by Parthenon » Thu May 14, 2009 10:02 pm
by Bavin » Thu May 14, 2009 10:14 pm
Parthenon said
Governing 6 billion people is impossible if there is no common identity and a lack of efficiency in administration.
by Milks Empire » Thu May 14, 2009 10:33 pm
by Cameroi » Fri May 15, 2009 2:25 am
by Romanar » Fri May 15, 2009 3:44 am
Cameroi wrote:the choice is not whether or not we'll have one, but what kind do we want.
do we want a world dictated by the selfconcerned interests of one or a handful of the most powerful sovereignties, in truth, of the paracriminal economic interests that actually pull their puppet strings,
or do we want an unbiased means of protecting real people, places and things, from the thoughtless destructiveness of those same myopic interests, hiding themselves behind pretensions of patriotic ideology and self ritious religiosity?
by Bluth Corporation » Fri May 15, 2009 7:12 am
Milks Empire wrote:They tried something like this, but on a smaller scale, many times throughout history. I believe some of the best known were called the Hellenistic Empire, the Roman Empire, the Islamic Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Kalmar Union, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics... did I miss any? But at any rate, you tell me... are any of these still around today?
by Grays Harbor » Fri May 15, 2009 12:01 pm
Bluth Corporation wrote:Never wrong People wrote:No social or moral or religion issues
OK, this is the biggest fallacy of them all. World government would lead to Balkanization of the whole world.
People don't fight other people because they're from other countries. People fight other people because they don't like each other, regardless of how sane those reasons might be. World government would be Yugoslavia writ large. Putting Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, Albanians, Slovenes, and others under a single government didn't cause them to magically stop fighting each other; world government would be the same thing on a global scale.
by Reunified Romania » Fri May 15, 2009 12:13 pm
by Gewinny » Fri May 15, 2009 12:14 pm
by Reunified Romania » Fri May 15, 2009 12:23 pm
by Sanctus-Terra » Fri May 15, 2009 12:25 pm
Never wrong People wrote:World Government - goals and why it would be great.
All laws are more powerful the local laws
Power of the purse, levy taxes and spend money
Relegation will balance the play field to not undermine the economy - to prevent bubbles in the economy and cause real growth
No tariffs - free trade for all
One currency - so simple
No social or moral or religion issues
World police force enforces all laws including human rights, has power to go anywhere to enforce laws civil rights and private protection are still around (right to trial and other protections)
Crime can be hunted everywhere - can not run from the cops
Global warning action can be taken if wanted
State sovereignty does not exist
by Never wrong People » Fri May 15, 2009 1:46 pm
by Never wrong People » Fri May 15, 2009 1:56 pm
Bluth Corporation wrote:
By and large, economy-specific regulation (as opposed to laws against things such as murder, theft, vandalism, fraud, etc. which apply to businesses and individuals alike) destabilizes the economy and inhibits growth because it makes any venture riskier, and forcing businesses to jump through bureaucratic hoops that don't actually contribute to production is obviously more inefficient than not forcing it.
by Northwest Slobovia » Fri May 15, 2009 2:15 pm
Never wrong People wrote:World Government - goals and why it would be great.
All laws are more powerful the local laws
Power of the purse, levy taxes and spend money
Relegation will balance the play field to not undermine the economy - to prevent bubbles in the economy and cause real growth
No tariffs - free trade for all
One currency - so simple
by DrunkenDove » Sat May 16, 2009 7:43 am
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Please think very hard about this. Assume some form of representative democracy -- I can't imagine running the world by direct democracy. If votes are allocated by population, just the top five largest countries (China, India, US, Indonesia, and Brazil, in order) voting en bloc could force everybody else to do what they wanted. By "one country, one vote", some arrangement of tiny countries could inflict their will on the vast majority. A two-chamber system like the US would probably lead to the some of the Big Eleven (populations fall really quickly after that) allying with whoever is convenient to get their way.
So the poor countries can legally rob the rich ones, I suppose. Ain't gonna happen.
This treats the world economy as a single unit, w/o any ability to adjust to local conditions. That barely works now for the large countries (both EU and US states slip into recession while other states have booms), so scaling it up will make those problems worse.
As a federalist at heart (note small "f"), I have just four words for this proposal: "absolute power corrupts absolutely". For the same reason, I see no reason to have a world government with any more power than just giving INTERPOL and the ICC some teeth.
by DrunkenDove » Sat May 16, 2009 7:46 am
O-Seventon wrote:This is the UN's goal
by Ordo Drakul » Sat May 16, 2009 7:50 am
by Southern Bred People » Sat May 16, 2009 3:36 pm
by Southern Bred People » Sat May 16, 2009 3:39 pm
Reunified Romania wrote:Basically, the Human has a very powerful sense of individualism. He already doesn't like being told what to do, imagine the chances of a gigantic global government trying to tell 10 billion people what to do. It's a pressure cooking waiting for the right moment to explode.
by Zavizar » Sat May 16, 2009 3:53 pm
Milks Empire wrote:They tried something like this, but on a smaller scale, many times throughout history. I believe some of the best known were called the Hellenistic Empire, the Roman Empire, the Islamic Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Kalmar Union, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics... did I miss any? But at any rate, you tell me... are any of these still around today?
by Milks Empire » Sat May 16, 2009 4:08 pm
Zavizar wrote:Milks Empire wrote:They tried something like this, but on a smaller scale, many times throughout history. I believe some of the best known were called the Hellenistic Empire, the Roman Empire, the Islamic Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Kalmar Union, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics... did I miss any? But at any rate, you tell me... are any of these still around today?
Don't forget the Nazi German "Empire"!
I'm not really in support of government to begin with because either way you look at it government will always be corrupt.
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