NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

by **Immoren** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:03 am

Kamchastkia wrote:
Immoren wrote:Because corps even its original form was intended as "plug" and used as army level reserve to desperately gap any large breakthrough, and I though having some faster reacting units to pin enemy advance for a moment till tanks can arrive would be good.

Being anti-military IRL, Im clueless as to the purpose and intent of certan units except for the basics. So yea imma ogo hide in a hole xD.

I have motorized brigades they move on thin-skinned vehicles are most numerous of brigades and conduct mainly defensive operations.
Mechanized brigades which move on APCs and are usually used for delay actions and counter-attacks at regional corps level.
Armoured brigades which move on IFVs and APCs and are used for army level counter attacks as part of armoured corps.
Artillery brigades which are used as part of operative fires at corps-army group level
Air borne/assault brigades....

by **Central and Eastern Visayas** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:03 am

Kamchastkia wrote:
Lolzieristan wrote:
Now's probably not the best place for negotiating prices, but I could let the Mi-24A go for as low as $5 million apiece. Mi-24D would go for around $7.5 million.

And if you need anything else Soviet-bloc and aging, talk to the Lolzi Army Quartermaster Corps. We're not saying it's good, we're saying it's cheap.

And Immoren, I think it would actually be pretty worthless...I could see the benefits in doing that, but I don't think they'd need to be under the same official corps command to reap them. If you want to send the air assault brigade ahead of the armor, you don't really have to put them under the same organic command; though you totally could, I think a separate air assault brigade would work pretty much as well.

But, then again, corps-level units are very diverse in terms of their composition. Stranger combinations have occurred.

And Kamchastkia, in this context "air assault" refers to (typically) heli-borne infantry and their supporting elements. Basically air cavalry.

Airborne infantry with armor Why?

Probably because infantry by themselves are particularly squishy.

by **Purpelia** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:04 am

Lolzieristan wrote:And Purpelia, it's weird you mention that; I'm actually reading a book about those God-awful things...called Hitler's Panzers, offhandedly mentions that French tank. When you put a full-size tank turret on the front, and then mount a howitzer on the back like a freaking scorpion tail, you're either the smartest person I know or a total dumbass with no understanding of engineering whatsoever...not sure on which way it would have turned out.

You are talking about the newer built FCM F1-2 right?
I am talking about the one that actually drove. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_2C

by **The Corparation** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:08 am

Purpelia wrote:
Lolzieristan wrote:And Purpelia, it's weird you mention that; I'm actually reading a book about those God-awful things...called Hitler's Panzers, offhandedly mentions that French tank. When you put a full-size tank turret on the front, and then mount a howitzer on the back like a freaking scorpion tail, you're either the smartest person I know or a total dumbass with no understanding of engineering whatsoever...not sure on which way it would have turned out.

You are talking about the newer built FCM F1-2 right?
I am talking about the one that actually drove. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_2C

The Char 2C Sucked at anything that wasn't making a propaganda film.

by **Lolzieristan** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:12 am

The Corparation wrote:
Purpelia wrote:You are talking about the newer built FCM F1-2 right?
I am talking about the one that actually drove. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_2C

The Char 2C Sucked at anything that wasn't making a propaganda film.

What are you talking about?

It's great at sitting completely still and making the Germans waste tiny little 37mm shells on it for like half an hour.

Without returning fire.

Because evidently "shooting" wasn't in the average Char-2C crew's skill-set.

by **Purpelia** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:12 am

And it still counts as an operational vehicle. Plus it would have totally looked awesome crossing trenches in the middle of a wedge of Char B1's and FT-17's.

And now I have the image of a whole French tank division advancing in formation across trenches at 2km/h burned into my head.

by **CTALNH** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:13 am

A Shock Army numbers 300,000 men, 1700 smaller-caliber and 1,500 medium and heavy caliber guns, 750 aircraft and 3.000 tanks.

A Rifle Army numbers 80 - 130,000 men, 1,500-2,000 guns and mortars, 50-500 rocket launchers, and 30-250 self-propelled guns.

A division numbers some 10.000 men (10,670 in a guards rifle division), 50 field guns, 175 mortars and 50 anti-tank guns.

Got any complaints about this format?

http://nswiki.net/index.php?title=CTALNHs_Ground_forces

by **Purpelia** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:14 am

Where are the tanks? Don't tell me you don't do combined arms?

by **CTALNH** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:16 am

Purpelia wrote:Where are the tanks? Don't tell me you don't do combined arms?

They are part of the Shock army not independent.

A spearhead combined with the mechanized forces of the Shock Armies.

by **Lolzieristan** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:17 am

CTALNH wrote:A Shock Army numbers 300,000 men, 1700 smaller-caliber and 1,500 medium and heavy caliber guns, 750 aircraft and 3.000 tanks.

A Rifle Army numbers 80 - 130,000 men, 1,500-2,000 guns and mortars, 50-500 rocket launchers, and 30-250 self-propelled guns.

A division numbers some 10.000 men (10,670 in a guards rifle division), 50 field guns, 175 mortars and 50 anti-tank guns.

Got any complaints about this format?

http://nswiki.net/index.php?title=CTALNHs_Ground_forces

Checked the wiki, and trust me, you're going to want to have some number of tanks in practically everything division-level or higher, regardless of its designation. Combined arms is...well, it's a pretty big deal.

by **San-Silvacian** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:20 am

You shouldn't standardize a division.

Need three basic types, Mechanized, Motorized and Armored.

Mechanized for da IFVs.

Motorized for da APCs

Armored fo da MBTs

Also pic wise your shock infantry are lighter than your riflemen. You typically want your shock units to be well trained and carry more than the average infantryman since they will most likely expel more than the average infantryman.

by **CTALNH** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:22 am

Lolzieristan wrote:
CTALNH wrote:A Shock Army numbers 300,000 men, 1700 smaller-caliber and 1,500 medium and heavy caliber guns, 750 aircraft and 3.000 tanks.

A Rifle Army numbers 80 - 130,000 men, 1,500-2,000 guns and mortars, 50-500 rocket launchers, and 30-250 self-propelled guns.

A division numbers some 10.000 men (10,670 in a guards rifle division), 50 field guns, 175 mortars and 50 anti-tank guns.

Got any complaints about this format?

http://nswiki.net/index.php?title=CTALNHs_Ground_forces

Checked the wiki, and trust me, you're going to want to have some number of tanks in practically everything division-level or higher, regardless of its designation. Combined arms is...well, it's a pretty big deal.

I got a 300 million soldiers both men and women.
Tanks are part of the the Shock Armies.And distributed used accordingly.
3.000 tanks for fucking sake.

by **CTALNH** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:26 am

San-Silvacian wrote:You shouldn't standardize a division.

Need three basic types, Mechanized, Motorized and Armored.

Mechanized for da IFVs.

Motorized for da APCs

Armored fo da MBTs

Also pic wise your shock infantry are lighter than your riflemen. You typically want your shock units to be well trained and carry more than the average infantryman since they will most likely expel more than the average infantryman.

Why did I even go through the freaking trouble of writing a tactics page if nobody cares...

Shock infantry are supposed to mobile....The average infantryman is supposed to be used for defense.

Also us the saying with Deep Battle goes:A good counter offensive is a good defense to everything.

by **Elan Valleys** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:27 am

Way to directly copy the wiki page on deep battle.

by **Austria-Bohemia-Hungary** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:28 am

On the topic of basic setups...
Everything you ever going to need is in my factbook. <.< Though I may provide an Anglo-Saxon translation later.

by **CTALNH** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:30 am

Elan Valleys wrote:Way to directly copy the wiki page on deep battle.

Better than most though....
Also I took the time to edit it....

by **Kouralia** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:31 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:*snip*

Not going to lie, it would be far, far more helpful if they were in English. I mean, I can guess some of them, is MTPz Huszar '*x**x*Panzer Hussar?' But, some of the others I'm like 'wa'.

by **The Republic of Lanos** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:32 am

Required?

by **Transnapastain** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:34 am

Kouralia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:*snip*

Not going to lie, it would be far, far more helpful if they were in English. I mean, I can guess some of them, is MTPz Huszar '*x**x*Panzer Hussar?' But, some of the others I'm like 'wa'.

This. Being that this is predominantly an English speaking gotum... And other users have been warned for posting long posts in a largely unreadable language, it would behoove you to translate it.

by **Altito Asmoro** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:36 am

Will I need a replacement for my Backfire Bomber?

by **Austria-Bohemia-Hungary** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:36 am

Kouralia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:*snip*

Not going to lie, it would be far, far more helpful if they were in English. I mean, I can guess some of them, is MTPz Huszar '*x**x*Panzer Hussar?' But, some of the others I'm like 'wa'.

Alright I'll make it intelligible.

Edit: Scratch dictionary, I'm translating.

by **CTALNH** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:36 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:Will I need a replacement for my Backfire Bomber?

Sooner or later...

by **San-Silvacian** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:37 am

CTALNH wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:You shouldn't standardize a division.

Need three basic types, Mechanized, Motorized and Armored.

Mechanized for da IFVs.

Motorized for da APCs

Armored fo da MBTs

Also pic wise your shock infantry are lighter than your riflemen. You typically want your shock units to be well trained and carry more than the average infantryman since they will most likely expel more than the average infantryman.

Why did I even go through the freaking trouble of writing a tactics page if nobody cares...

Shock infantry are supposed to mobile....The average infantryman is supposed to be used for defense.

Also us the saying with Deep Battle goes:A good counter offensive is a good defense to everything.

Shock infantry can be heavy and mobile.

You also have no APCs or IFVs in your military as well from what it seems.

SMGs for your cream of the crop? Thats called state-assisted suicide.

NVGs and FLIR easily break the smoke grenades.

Zig zag is wut. This isn't an early 20th Century naval battle.

Altito Asmoro wrote:Will I need a replacement for my Backfire Bomber?

PAK-DA.

by **The Corparation** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:38 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:Will I need a replacement for my Backfire Bomber?

Yes.

by **CTALNH** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:39 am

San-Silvacian wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Why did I even go through the freaking trouble of writing a tactics page if nobody cares...

Shock infantry are supposed to mobile....The average infantryman is supposed to be used for defense.

Also us the saying with Deep Battle goes:A good counter offensive is a good defense to everything.

Shock infantry can be heavy and mobile.

You also have no APCs or IFVs in your military as well from what it seems.

SMGs for your cream of the crop? Thats called state-assisted suicide.

NVGs and FLIR easily break the smoke grenades.

Zig zag is wut. This isn't an early 20th Century naval battle.

Altito Asmoro wrote:Will I need a replacement for my Backfire Bomber?

PAK-DA.

Scroll down the page more?
My army uses:
APC & IFV
MT-LB Soviet Union Armored Personnel carrier
BMP-1 Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BMP-2 Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BMP-3 Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BMD-1 Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BMD-2 Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BMD-3 Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BMD-4 Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BTR-D Soviet Union Infantry Fighting Vehicle
My elite troops are Assault infantry!?

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