NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[Yes Im Biop]

...I hate you Tras

Take a number. :-P

At the end of this one, they'll be voting like there was in the weapons thread. Get someone to nominate you and the OP (and all the meaninglessness there of) could be yours.

*Grabs Money bag*
Time for Bribery by Donuts.

[New Vihenia]

Ok..so new thread.. hmm anyway i'm just releasing something old and simple.. why old because this thing has around since hmm April 29th 2012.. And why simple because this thing does not really take complex range calculation problems thus applicable to general form of Radar.

Nonetheless i built this mainly to help building a sound statblock for my 1967 Interceptor fighter phased array radar..may not be perfect and obviously spartan look..but hey i believe someone here smarter than me can improve it somewhat

The download link.

Radar Range Calculator

So what this calculator can do ?
-Calculating range of radar based on typical parameter (power aperture product..etc) AND something which is not featured..as far as i know in many radar range calculator online.. The Search Area.. We know that radar in its operation have area of searching which also determine the detection range. Basically the wider the search area, the more time it took to search and in case of Radar..search time or usually called as "Time Frame" is quite limited, numbered in mere seconds (in my calculator it would be 5 seconds derived from an DTIC paper about phased array radar).

The search area are denoted in "Steradian" unit which can be calculated by converting both the horizontal and vertical search angle (in my calculator it's already done) to radians and multiply them.

-Determining Target Tracking Capacity of the Radar.
Beside detection range.. my simple calculator can also be used for determining how many targets my radar can track simultaneously. This feature however is well... pretty much experimental as the reference book (RF and Microwave Handbook) does not really specify on how to use this and some variables like "target track rate" have no clear "baseline numbers" and definitions thus i will have to experiment using say.. 50 track/seconds which i interpreted as the radar will update the track 50 times per seconds.

Another weird stuff in the tracking capacity equation is that it's some sort of scoring with left hand equation determine the "Design Budget" of the Radar and Right hand side which determine the "Requirement" thus if the Design budget did not equivalent or exceed the requirement the radar would not be able to track all of the targets. Readers may found the equation within the calculator.

What my calculator did not do :
-It is not taking account atmospheric attenuations, path propagation factors and ground clutter, i did attempt to make radar range calculator that do take account clutter however it's rather complicated and some equations have no closed loop solutions. Thus i had to leave it for a while to keep my sanity.

If interested however i reccommend a Radar book titled "Radar Design Principles 2nd Edition" By F.E Nathanson which have very good info and theoritical background related to clutter and RCS data of some important clutter like sea, land and even flock of bugs And some method to calculate RCS of complex objects like Sattelites or Ship (Soviet ships have different RCS Equation compared to NATO one).

Thus calculated range from the calculator should be treated as "Free Space Range" which assume the Radar search in a wide vacuum empty space. Might not be quite realistic but well.. it's quite helpful for me..and assuming high altitude intercepts where my interceptor will fly high altitude. The free space range calculated may be realistic as in high altitude air density is low thus lower atmospheric refraction and absorption and the multipath event will likely to be nonexistent.

this is the screenshot of the calculator :

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Well first of all.. The box/coloumns marked in Green are EDITABLE, where you may edit the value inside it while the Yellow one MUST NOT BE EDITED as it contains the equations required for the calculations.

Well G2G.. crash course coming soon.. meanwhile feel free to have a play

[Kamchastkia]

My Nation rply only has a population of 1.5 million, assuming that there is conscription from 18-21, and taxes are mediocre. Would my nation be able to afford an attack helicopter? I have the only airforce base in my nation having 2 fighter-bombers from the 90s already, and most equipment is outdated, so gasoline would prolly be a huge part of the budget for the military D:.

[Transnapastain]

My Nation rply only has a population of 1.5 million, assuming that there is conscription from 18-21, and taxes are mediocre. Would my nation be able to afford an attack helicopter? I have the only airforce base in my nation having 2 fighter-bombers from the 90s already, and most equipment is outdated, so gasoline would prolly be a huge part of the budget for the military D:.

I'd think so. The AH-1 is only ~12 million, or you could go super cheap and get a light attack/observation and utility chopper like the OH-58 at somewhere around 4 million.

Do choppers, at least US ones, use the same jet fuel Air Force aircraft do?

[Yes Im Biop]

My Nation rply only has a population of 1.5 million, assuming that there is conscription from 18-21, and taxes are mediocre. Would my nation be able to afford an attack helicopter? I have the only airforce base in my nation having 2 fighter-bombers from the 90s already, and most equipment is outdated, so gasoline would prolly be a huge part of the budget for the military D:.

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I'm sorry People But I must



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[North Mesquite]

Oh boy, new thread. QUICKLY EVERYONE INTO THE MAUS!

You think too small. I've got a ride for this thread!

Here's something you can add on it - Phalanx CIWS

[Samozaryadnyastan]

You think too small. I've got a ride for this thread!

Here's something you can add on it - Phalanx CIWS

Inferior to Quick Kill. or RIM-161.

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

Oh boy, new thread. QUICKLY EVERYONE INTO THE MAUS!

You think too small. I've got a ride for this thread!

This isn't a joke, right?

[New Vihenia]

OK..next time i'll make a Land battleship

[Purpelia]

I find it ironic that for all the talk of the Landcruiser the closest thing to a land battleship ever built, that being the largest tank ever to be fielded in any kind of military function and not just for show was made by the French.

[Lolzieristan]

My Nation rply only has a population of 1.5 million, assuming that there is conscription from 18-21, and taxes are mediocre. Would my nation be able to afford an attack helicopter? I have the only airforce base in my nation having 2 fighter-bombers from the 90s already, and most equipment is outdated, so gasoline would prolly be a huge part of the budget for the military D:.

The Federal Republic of Lolzieristan could easily provide you with some budget-friendly military equipment; I'm considering opening up an official storefront for it, but in the meantime we could easily sell you our outdated Mi-24 mid-models, like the -24D and the -24A, for pennies on the dollar. Noticed a question up top about it, Mi-24 uses standard avionic jet fuel.

The way I RP, we shelve every weapon and vehicle until we can either sell it, use it as a target, or it just stops working. No scrapping here.

And Purpelia, it's weird you mention that; I'm actually reading a book about those God-awful things...called Hitler's Panzers, offhandedly mentions that French tank. When you put a full-size tank turret on the front, and then mount a howitzer on the back like a freaking scorpion tail, you're either the smartest person I know or a total dumbass with no understanding of engineering whatsoever...not sure on which way it would have turned out.

[Kamchastkia]

My Nation rply only has a population of 1.5 million, assuming that there is conscription from 18-21, and taxes are mediocre. Would my nation be able to afford an attack helicopter? I have the only airforce base in my nation having 2 fighter-bombers from the 90s already, and most equipment is outdated, so gasoline would prolly be a huge part of the budget for the military D:.

The Federal Republic of Lolzieristan could easily provide you with some budget-friendly military equipment; I'm considering opening up an official storefront for it, but in the meantime we could easily sell you our outdated Mi-24 mid-models, like the -24D and the -24A, for pennies on the dollar. Noticed a question up top about it, Mi-24 uses standard avionic jet fuel.

The way I RP, we shelve every weapon and vehicle until we can either sell it, use it as a target, or it just stops working. No scrapping here.

And Purpelia, it's weird you mention that; I'm actually reading a book about those God-awful things...called Hitler's Panzers, offhandedly mentions that French tank. When you put a full-size tank turret on the front, and then mount a howitzer on the back like a freaking scorpion tail, you're either the smartest person I know or a total dumbass with no understanding of engineering whatsoever...not sure on which way it would have turned out.

Thanks but I'm contemplating the Ka50 for purchase, get a somewhat moderate defense force, but I may have to get a 24.

[Immoren]

I am again pondering if it would be worthless to group air assault and armoured brigades under same corps.

[Kamchastkia]

I am again pondering if it would be worthless to group air assault and armoured brigades under same corps.

Uhm, depends on the type of aircraft? Primarily Air-Ground it wuld make sense, say the A10 but an Air SUpremacy group should be seperate. Assuming I understood what you were saying.

[Lolzieristan]

The Federal Republic of Lolzieristan could easily provide you with some budget-friendly military equipment; I'm considering opening up an official storefront for it, but in the meantime we could easily sell you our outdated Mi-24 mid-models, like the -24D and the -24A, for pennies on the dollar. Noticed a question up top about it, Mi-24 uses standard avionic jet fuel.

The way I RP, we shelve every weapon and vehicle until we can either sell it, use it as a target, or it just stops working. No scrapping here.

And Purpelia, it's weird you mention that; I'm actually reading a book about those God-awful things...called Hitler's Panzers, offhandedly mentions that French tank. When you put a full-size tank turret on the front, and then mount a howitzer on the back like a freaking scorpion tail, you're either the smartest person I know or a total dumbass with no understanding of engineering whatsoever...not sure on which way it would have turned out.

Thanks but I'm contemplating the Ka50 for purchase, get a somewhat moderate defense force, but I may have to get a 24.

Now's probably not the best place for negotiating prices, but I could let the Mi-24A go for as low as $5 million apiece. Mi-24D would go for around $7.5 million.

And if you need anything else Soviet-bloc and aging, talk to the Lolzi Army Quartermaster Corps. We're not saying it's good, we're saying it's cheap.


And Immoren, I think it would actually be pretty worthless...I could see the benefits in doing that, but I don't think they'd need to be under the same official corps command to reap them. If you want to send the air assault brigade ahead of the armor, you don't really have to put them under the same organic command; though you totally could, I think a separate air assault brigade would work pretty much as well.

But, then again, corps-level units are very diverse in terms of their composition. Stranger combinations have occurred.

And Kamchastkia, in this context "air assault" refers to (typically) heli-borne infantry and their supporting elements. Basically air cavalry.

[Elan Valleys]

I am again pondering if it would be worthless to group air assault and armoured brigades under same corps.

Combined-arms.

Go for it.

Especially at corps level.

[Lolzieristan]

I am again pondering if it would be worthless to group air assault and armoured brigades under same corps.

Combined-arms.

Go for it.

Especially at corps level.

Important question, what type of corps are we talking here? Mechanized corps, armored corps, etc...

Because I think that would make a difference.

[Immoren]

Combined-arms.

Go for it.

Especially at corps level.

Important question, what type of corps are we talking here? Mechanized corps, armored corps, etc...

Because I think that would make a difference.

Armoured corps. Which is built around four hilariously large Hexagonal armoured brigades.

[Kamchastkia]

Thanks but I'm contemplating the Ka50 for purchase, get a somewhat moderate defense force, but I may have to get a 24.

Now's probably not the best place for negotiating prices, but I could let the Mi-24A go for as low as $5 million apiece. Mi-24D would go for around $7.5 million.

And if you need anything else Soviet-bloc and aging, talk to the Lolzi Army Quartermaster Corps. We're not saying it's good, we're saying it's cheap.


And Immoren, I think it would actually be pretty worthless...I could see the benefits in doing that, but I don't think they'd need to be under the same official corps command to reap them. If you want to send the air assault brigade ahead of the armor, you don't really have to put them under the same organic command; though you totally could, I think a separate air assault brigade would work pretty much as well.

But, then again, corps-level units are very diverse in terms of their composition. Stranger combinations have occurred.

And Kamchastkia, in this context "air assault" refers to (typically) heli-borne infantry and their supporting elements. Basically air cavalry.

Airborne infantry with armor Why?

[Discordant Schism]

Could an iron warhead weighing 1lbs 1.8oz traveling at 24f/s penetrate two millimeters of bronze?

[Elan Valleys]

Combined-arms.

Go for it.

Especially at corps level.

Important question, what type of corps are we talking here? Mechanized corps, armoured corps, etc...

Because I think that would make a difference.

It allows a rapid exploitation of an opportunity, you don't have to wait for approval.

Even if you don't use them to air assault you have a unit of crack light infantry available.

If used sensibly the air assault can attack in company/battalion strength to secure bridges for the armour (but not as far as Arnhem!)

[Lolzieristan]

Important question, what type of corps are we talking here? Mechanized corps, armored corps, etc...

Because I think that would make a difference.

Armoured corps. Which is built around four hilariously large Hexagonal armoured brigades.

I've been looking over WarPac TO&Es, and from what I can tell airborne operations are subordinate directly to the Army Group commander, and often the Supreme High Command itself. Evidently the Russkies didn't like their airborne decentralized.

But, irritatingly enough, they don't seem to officially define air assault troops...I'm operating under the assumption that they treated their "special purpose" units as air assault, which means you wouldn't be too far off attaching one to two battalions per corps.

[Immoren]

Airborne infantry with armor Why?

Because corps even its original form was intended as "plug" and used as army level reserve to desperately gap any large breakthrough, and I though having some faster reacting units to pin enemy advance for a moment till tanks can arrive would be good.

[Kamchastkia]

Airborne infantry with armor Why?

Because corps even its original form was intended as "plug" and used as army level reserve to desperately gap any large breakthrough, and I though having some faster reacting units to pin enemy advance for a moment till tanks can arrive would be good.

Being anti-military IRL, Im clueless as to the purpose and intent of certan units except for the basics. So yea imma ogo hide in a hole xD.

[San-Silvacian]

Now's probably not the best place for negotiating prices, but I could let the Mi-24A go for as low as $5 million apiece. Mi-24D would go for around $7.5 million.

And if you need anything else Soviet-bloc and aging, talk to the Lolzi Army Quartermaster Corps. We're not saying it's good, we're saying it's cheap.


And Immoren, I think it would actually be pretty worthless...I could see the benefits in doing that, but I don't think they'd need to be under the same official corps command to reap them. If you want to send the air assault brigade ahead of the armor, you don't really have to put them under the same organic command; though you totally could, I think a separate air assault brigade would work pretty much as well.

But, then again, corps-level units are very diverse in terms of their composition. Stranger combinations have occurred.

And Kamchastkia, in this context "air assault" refers to (typically) heli-borne infantry and their supporting elements. Basically air cavalry.

Airborne infantry with armor Why?

Because they need it?



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