Your opinion of transgender people

[Individuality-ness]

I support the World Health Organisation in its view of gender dysphoria. It is a mental illness. This is generally accepted by the scientific community.

Find me one transgender person who didn't have serious problems in childhood, usually due to a parent leaving. Saying ''me'' or ''a friend'' is not an appropriate answer.

"I think transvestism is a disease that comes from bad childhood! Prove to me that it doesn't - but if you have an example, that doesn't count because that means that you're not a true trans!"

[Zweite Alaje]

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much better version of this joke step up I:

Wow....

[Faolinn]

I have no moral objection to their existence.However I'm not certain I can consider them the same as a man or a woman born.I have come to believe that there is some form of noticeably different psychological elements to their mindset that I cannot describe as a mental illness, but rather some form of formerly recognized state of being that has been thought of as natural and some times celebrated in certain cultures. However, because of biological differences from those born a certain way and the related cultural experience that comes with being born the biological sex opposite of their internal nature, I don't think I can think of them as a man the way I am a man nor a woman the way let's say my mother is a woman. But I concede that being a cisgendered man, I may not entirely understand the trans experience if you will

The only other thing I would say is that if they should love a cisgendered person, they should be honest with them about their nature. For to truly love someone is to share all deep secrets and important parts of your being with someone.If someone does not find themselves interested in you because of it, it is their right, but it also means they were not right for you.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I support the World Health Organisation in its view of gender dysphoria. It is a mental illness. This is generally accepted by the scientific community.

Find me one transgender person who didn't have serious problems in childhood, usually due to a parent leaving. Saying ''me'' or ''a friend'' is not an appropriate answer.

"I think transvestism is a disease that comes from bad childhood! Prove to me that it doesn't - but if you have an example, that doesn't count because that means that you're not a true trans!"

To be fair cross dressers aren't actually transgender. Gender expression is not gender identity, and being trans* really only refers to the former.

[Desperate Measures]

"I think transvestism is a disease that comes from bad childhood! Prove to me that it doesn't - but if you have an example, that doesn't count because that means that you're not a true trans!"

To be fair cross dressers aren't actually transgender. Gender expression is not gender identity, and being trans* really only refers to the former.

I don't think all crossdressers are transgender but some do fall under it.

[Individuality-ness]

"I think transvestism is a disease that comes from bad childhood! Prove to me that it doesn't - but if you have an example, that doesn't count because that means that you're not a true trans!"

To be fair cross dressers aren't actually transgender. Gender expression is not gender identity, and being trans* really only refers to the former.

Obviously not. But those who ID themselves as trans* and who don't have bad childhoods are apparently "not evidence".

[Ostroeuropa]

To be fair cross dressers aren't actually transgender. Gender expression is not gender identity, and being trans* really only refers to the former.

Obviously not. But those who ID themselves as trans* and who don't have bad childhoods are apparently "not evidence".

And neither is the reams of scientific data saying it can be biological in origin. Nor the psychological examination pre-op transexuals undergo to make sure they aren't suffering from some kind of treatable trauma.

[Bottle]

I can understand that, and honestly I do respect it, which is why I generally shut the fuck up about this subject around trans people unless they specifically invite me to discuss it. I also refrain from cis-splaining to trans people about any of it, and stick to offering my perspective and my opinions (which I do not pretend are perfect, objective, or immune to all the same cultural biases that everyone else experiences).

And yet you`re doing so right now...

Nope. I mean, you can try to butcher the term so that it means "anybody, including a non-cis person, who has an opinion that differs from that some some trans people," but I think that's pretty silly and I'm not likely to be shamed by it as a tactic.

And, I am well aware that the feminist community as a whole has a really shitty history when it comes to trans issues. I don't expect trans people to ignore that or forget it or even cut feminism a break in spite of it, because feminism has earned its lumps on this one.

Well, that's progress of a certain sort at least.

Regardless, while abolishing the institution of gender may be considered a worthy goal it is not one that is realistic or one that is, arguably, worth working towards. Gender is important and gender matters, and it is a principal part of self identity. Instead of a world with no gender, I dream of one where gender doesn't matter, and there is no discrimination on its basis. The destruction of the Kyriarchy does not mean an end to gender, but it does mean an end to gender roles and the expectations we place upon them.

I honestly don't give a fuck whether gender exists or not, as long as I'm not in any way required to care about it. For as long as I am forced to care about it, I will be stuck fighting against it. I'm happy to stop fighting as soon as it goes away and leaves me alone.

[Euroslavia]

I honestly don't give a fuck whether gender exists or not, as long as I'm not in any way required to care about it. For as long as I am forced to care about it, I will be stuck fighting against it. I'm happy to stop fighting as soon as it goes away and leaves me alone.

This dog has been renamed to Gender and has taken a poop in your hallway.

Your move.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Your move.

Send the dog to PETA.

[The Blaatschapen]

I honestly don't give a fuck whether gender exists or not, as long as I'm not in any way required to care about it. For as long as I am forced to care about it, I will be stuck fighting against it. I'm happy to stop fighting as soon as it goes away and leaves me alone.

This dog has been renamed to Gender and has taken a poop in your hallway.

Your move.

I have a Chinese roommate. I'll ask him for advice.

[Souseiseki]

I honestly don't give a fuck whether gender exists or not, as long as I'm not in any way required to care about it. For as long as I am forced to care about it, I will be stuck fighting against it. I'm happy to stop fighting as soon as it goes away and leaves me alone.

This dog has been renamed to Gender and has taken a poop in your hallway.

Your move.

well, they said they don't care about gender, not Gender.

Your move.

Send the dog to PETA.

harsh

[Euroslavia]

This dog has been renamed to Gender and has taken a poop in your hallway.

Your move.

well, they said they don't care about gender, not Gender.

Dammit. Foiled again.

[Bottle]

I honestly don't give a fuck whether gender exists or not, as long as I'm not in any way required to care about it. For as long as I am forced to care about it, I will be stuck fighting against it. I'm happy to stop fighting as soon as it goes away and leaves me alone.

This dog has been renamed to Gender and has taken a poop in your hallway.

Your move.

...

I have been planning to get a bird for ages, and now my bird has a name. Its name shall be Gender, and I shall teach it to sing "It's Rainin' Men," and we will be best friends forever.

[TaQud]

Just give them equal rights and stop the discrimination

(same could be said for the other parts of the LGBT....)

[Faolinn]

Also,I'm probably going to sound like a gigantic moron for saying this, but I have to ask this question otherwise it will just bug me for the rest of the night.,For whatever reason being called cisgendered bothers me.I know it's not a horrible slur and that I'm not exactly being oppressed.There's not even a specific word I would prefer instead. It's a word that describes exactly what I am. A cisgendered man, but for some weird reason it bugs me. Why do you think that is?

[Nadkor]

Also,I'm probably going to sound like a gigantic moron for saying this, but I have to ask this question otherwise it will just bug me for the rest of the night.,For whatever reason being called cisgendered bothers me.I know it's not a horrible slur and that I'm not exactly being oppressed.There's not even a specific word I would prefer instead. It's a word that describes exactly what I am. A cisgendered man, but for some weird reason it bugs me. Why do you think that is?

You're not used to your privilege being called into question or even into the open and as a result it makes you feel uncomfortable.

[Faolinn]

Also,I'm probably going to sound like a gigantic moron for saying this, but I have to ask this question otherwise it will just bug me for the rest of the night.,For whatever reason being called cisgendered bothers me.I know it's not a horrible slur and that I'm not exactly being oppressed.There's not even a specific word I would prefer instead. It's a word that describes exactly what I am. A cisgendered man, but for some weird reason it bugs me. Why do you think that is?

You're not used to your privilege being called into question or even into the open and as a result it makes you feel uncomfortable.

As much as it pains me to say it, there is probably a fair bit of truth to that.No matter how much my thoughts may run counter to the status quo, I was still raised within it and may have absorbed a few elements of it.

[Nadkor]

You're not used to your privilege being called into question or even into the open and as a result it makes you feel uncomfortable.

As much as it pains me to say it, there is probably a fair bit of truth to that.No matter how much my thoughts may run counter to the status quo, I was still raised within it and may have absorbed a few elements of it.

Well, acknowledging it and recognising it means you're doing better than the vast majority, so go you.

[Anarcho-Leftist States of Horseflip]

I honestly don't give a fuck whether gender exists or not, as long as I'm not in any way required to care about it. For as long as I am forced to care about it, I will be stuck fighting against it. I'm happy to stop fighting as soon as it goes away and leaves me alone.

This dog has been renamed to Gender and has taken a poop in your hallway.

Your move.

Looks like Cujo

[Slarvainian]

I would say I'm supportive of transgendered individuals. Although I'm not that well read as to there being more then 2 genders I am open to the idea and It wouldn't surprise me that there are more then two genders. Another thing that I can say I support is that my country is considering the idea of adding reassignment surgery to the government health plan meaning that it would be payed for by the government by taxes.

[Sentinel Optik]

Also,I'm probably going to sound like a gigantic moron for saying this, but I have to ask this question otherwise it will just bug me for the rest of the night.,For whatever reason being called cisgendered bothers me.I know it's not a horrible slur and that I'm not exactly being oppressed.There's not even a specific word I would prefer instead. It's a word that describes exactly what I am. A cisgendered man, but for some weird reason it bugs me. Why do you think that is?

You're not used to your privilege being called into question or even into the open and as a result it makes you feel uncomfortable.

This is true, and it makes me resist equality for the transgenders. I do not want my normality marginalized. I am open to the legality of surgeries and whatnot and I might even be alright with TG's trying to fight for dignity. However, don't pretend that I am something less than normal. It's like how the Aspies refer to people like me as "neurotypical" as opposed to just being normal and not having an autism spectrum mental disorder.

[Pillea]

You're not used to your privilege being called into question or even into the open and as a result it makes you feel uncomfortable.

This is true, and it makes me resist equality for the transgenders. I do not want my normality marginalized. I am open to the legality of surgeries and whatnot and I might even be alright with TG's trying to fight for dignity. However, don't pretend that I am something less than normal. It's like how the Aspies refer to people like me as "neurotypical" as opposed to just being normal and not having an autism spectrum mental disorder.

The term normal then gets used to refer to all other groups as "abnormal" or "freaks" and such. Rather than hold yourself so high and lofty, you can just suck it up and take the logical label that ought be applied to you and your situation. If we are to be referred to as transgender, non-trans persons can just as easily be referred to as cisgender. Homosexual, heterosexual. And so on.
If you're going to get so caught up in the idea that not being called "normal" = bad, well, what's that saying about all the people you would say aren't?

[Grenartia]

So, NSG, are you supportive of trans* people? Do you recognize only two genders? Are you trans*?

Carnival and hallowen are always amusing.

What do those have to do with this topic?

is this because they always make it fun or because you think they're freaks

It is because, it is funny.

How?

I support the World Health Organisation in its view of gender dysphoria. It is a mental illness. This is generally accepted by the scientific community.

Find me one transgender person who didn't have serious problems in childhood, usually due to a parent leaving. Saying ''me'' or ''a friend'' is not an appropriate answer.

So, basically, what you're saying is:

"I'm right, you're wrong, and nothing you can say will change it."

I will give myself (despite your fallacious insistence otherwise) as an example.

it is? how so? o:

It makes such a visual effect, besides carnival is the only time I have a chance to see them. I am sorry if my opinion offends your feelings.

This thread isn't about carnival or Halloween.

i can't tell if your opinion offends me feelings because i can hardly even figure out what it is

I can tell you but I might become a warning. So, better not. Besides, I understand if you as a transgender want to be accept in the society, it is just that there is some limits of normal.

Don't you understand that there are plenty of ways to get your opinions across (with almost no limit to what the opinion itself is) without a mod having to step in and take action?

I support the World Health Organisation in its view of gender dysphoria. It is a mental illness. This is generally accepted by the scientific community.

Find me one transgender person who didn't have serious problems in childhood, usually due to a parent leaving. Saying ''me'' or ''a friend'' is not an appropriate answer.

This.
I am supportive of them getting treatment and whatever, even up to reassignment surgery on the state's funds, but there's two genders, and that's it. Anything else is a very,very minor percentage of cases, and definite anomalies that don't have a place in the definition of normal, much like people born with excess limbs don't make us define that a healthy person has "two hands but sometimes three".

There are more than two genders. However, I think you're confusing the term sex with gender. Just as an FYI, there is a difference. Sex is between your legs, gender is between your ears.

they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

Tell, me, where did God say anything along the lines of "I hate trannies!"?

And what if God actually intends for some people to be transgender?

does the bible even mention transgender people

Well, if you count eunuchs, you could make a case that it does, though I'm not sure how strong of an argument it really is. Besides, AFAIK, the bible has some very positive statements about eunuchs.

I find transgender people to be... strange. But not in a harmful, "keep the kids away from them" sort of way. More in the same way I treat people who wear socks with sandals, with mild distaste stemming largely from my own vanity.

I recognize only two genders, but that's not to the disparagement of anyone who considers themselves intersex or otherwise.

Its not about being intersex, per se. See above for the distinction between sex and gender.

Fuck your "god"

Indeed.

Quite. Such a diety who would hold such a position is, in no uncertain terms, a fucking douchebag, who should be opposed, despised, etc., by all people.

does the bible even mention transgender people

Deuteronomy 22:5
5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

So, yes. But why it should matter to anyone who doesn't follow the bible is beyond me.

Of course, since the verse says nothing about the definition of man and woman, it could very well be the case that its referring to gender rather than sex.

I honestly don't give a fuck whether gender exists or not, as long as I'm not in any way required to care about it. For as long as I am forced to care about it, I will be stuck fighting against it. I'm happy to stop fighting as soon as it goes away and leaves me alone.

This dog has been renamed to Gender and has taken a poop in your hallway.

Your move.

This is getting sigged!

You're not used to your privilege being called into question or even into the open and as a result it makes you feel uncomfortable.

This is true, and it makes me resist equality for the transgenders. I do not want my normality marginalized. I am open to the legality of surgeries and whatnot and I might even be alright with TG's trying to fight for dignity. However, don't pretend that I am something less than normal. It's like how the Aspies refer to people like me as "neurotypical" as opposed to just being normal and not having an autism spectrum mental disorder.

Nobody's trying to marginalize your normality.

[Individuality-ness]

You're not used to your privilege being called into question or even into the open and as a result it makes you feel uncomfortable.

This is true, and it makes me resist equality for the transgenders. I do not want my normality marginalized. I am open to the legality of surgeries and whatnot and I might even be alright with TG's trying to fight for dignity. However, don't pretend that I am something less than normal. It's like how the Aspies refer to people like me as "neurotypical" as opposed to just being normal and not having an autism spectrum mental disorder.

... so people who are trans* are not "normal"? Define "normal".